NVIDIA & AMD in hot water for potential price fixing

[allies]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I would rather see these guys pick the CPU sector, or better the LCD sector with those over priced panels..

You're joking right? Intel's Core 2 Duo caused AMD to half their prices. Certainly doesn't look like there's any collusion going on there. Most called it a price war.

LCD panels have continued to get get cheaper.

Memory prices are the one thing that's looked suspicious recently, and they've been caught price fixing before.

I want core2duo to be more affordable with a cheap 40inch LCD in front of me

Ha, the companies have to make a profit too, Core 2 Duo is also the best right now so Intel can charge whatever it wishes, it's already cheap for it's performance considering it caused AMD to slice most of it's Dual Core's by 1/2 in price to compete.

LCD panels only get expensive once you get into the extreme sizes. 22inch is a good sweet spot with 23+ being quite expensive.

22" is NOT a sweet spot. TN panels are not worth anyone's money. Better to pay a little more and get a good quality 20.1 or 21" panel.

:\ I like my 22" Westy

 

[zephyrprime]

God. Morals are so ****ed up in this country. You guys are actually defending the companies for price fixing? You guys who are actually supporting price fixing (which is admittedly certainly not proved yet) disgust me.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: RedStar
"Not just caught, all 7 of the big ones were convicted and fined hundreds of millions"

indeed. Yet, i have received no check. who gets the money?

And do we end up paying double when the same companies charge more for the current ram to recoup the fines?? heh, more a rhetorical question really

Yes, the companies are fined by the government but we never see any of the money. So we're really just indirectly paying for the fines as well.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I would rather see these guys pick the CPU sector, or better the LCD sector with those over priced panels..

You're joking right? Intel's Core 2 Duo caused AMD to half their prices. Certainly doesn't look like there's any collusion going on there. Most called it a price war.

LCD panels have continued to get get cheaper.

Memory prices are the one thing that's looked suspicious recently, and they've been caught price fixing before.

I want core2duo to be more affordable with a cheap 40inch LCD in front of me

Ha, the companies have to make a profit too, Core 2 Duo is also the best right now so Intel can charge whatever it wishes, it's already cheap for it's performance considering it caused AMD to slice most of it's Dual Core's by 1/2 in price to compete.

LCD panels only get expensive once you get into the extreme sizes. 22inch is a good sweet spot with 23+ being quite expensive.

22" is NOT a sweet spot. TN panels are not worth anyone's money. Better to pay a little more and get a good quality 20.1 or 21" panel.

I am talking the WS displays, so 22 inch is a nice sweet spot, as the price difference between a 22 to 23 is quite significant. 4 by 3 aspect screens haven't had much falling in price over the past while on the 20.1 and 21 end, so they remain expensive.

But hey to each is own, alot of people like WS displays around here.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I would rather see these guys pick the CPU sector, or better the LCD sector with those over priced panels..

You're joking right? Intel's Core 2 Duo caused AMD to half their prices. Certainly doesn't look like there's any collusion going on there. Most called it a price war.

LCD panels have continued to get get cheaper.

Memory prices are the one thing that's looked suspicious recently, and they've been caught price fixing before.

I want core2duo to be more affordable with a cheap 40inch LCD in front of me

Ha, the companies have to make a profit too, Core 2 Duo is also the best right now so Intel can charge whatever it wishes, it's already cheap for it's performance considering it caused AMD to slice most of it's Dual Core's by 1/2 in price to compete.

LCD panels only get expensive once you get into the extreme sizes. 22inch is a good sweet spot with 23+ being quite expensive.

22" is NOT a sweet spot. TN panels are not worth anyone's money. Better to pay a little more and get a good quality 20.1 or 21" panel.

I am talking the WS displays, so 22 inch is a nice sweet spot, as the price difference between a 22 to 23 is quite significant. 4 by 3 aspect screens haven't had much falling in price over the past while on the 20.1 and 21 end, so they remain expensive.

But hey to each is own, alot of people like WS displays around here.

Huh?

I was talking about WS monitors.

22" widescreens are using TN panels which are far inferior to comparable 20.1 and 21" widescreens in most cases. And when I say inferior, I am talking image quality was. The TNs are faster than other panels, but what's the point when your 22" can't even reproduce colors correctly.

Just because 22" widescreens are bigger than the 20.1 and 21 inch screens definately doesnt not make them a sweetspot.

EDIT: By the way, if you didnt notice, I am using a WS display. 2007wfp FTW!

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I would rather see these guys pick the CPU sector, or better the LCD sector with those over priced panels..

You're joking right? Intel's Core 2 Duo caused AMD to half their prices. Certainly doesn't look like there's any collusion going on there. Most called it a price war.

LCD panels have continued to get get cheaper.

Memory prices are the one thing that's looked suspicious recently, and they've been caught price fixing before.

I want core2duo to be more affordable with a cheap 40inch LCD in front of me

Ha, the companies have to make a profit too, Core 2 Duo is also the best right now so Intel can charge whatever it wishes, it's already cheap for it's performance considering it caused AMD to slice most of it's Dual Core's by 1/2 in price to compete.

LCD panels only get expensive once you get into the extreme sizes. 22inch is a good sweet spot with 23+ being quite expensive.

22" is NOT a sweet spot. TN panels are not worth anyone's money. Better to pay a little more and get a good quality 20.1 or 21" panel.

I am talking the WS displays, so 22 inch is a nice sweet spot, as the price difference between a 22 to 23 is quite significant. 4 by 3 aspect screens haven't had much falling in price over the past while on the 20.1 and 21 end, so they remain expensive.

But hey to each is own, alot of people like WS displays around here.

Huh?

I was talking about WS monitors.

22" widescreens are using TN panels which are far inferior to comparable 20.1 and 21" widescreens in most cases. And when I say inferior, I am talking image quality was. The TNs are faster than other panels, but what's the point when your 22" can't even reproduce colors correctly.

Just because 22" widescreens are bigger than the 20.1 and 21 inch screens definately doesnt not make them a sweetspot.

EDIT: By the way, if you didnt notice, I am using a WS display. 2007wfp FTW!

Oh the dreaded 6 Bit vs 8 Bit thing, oh their good enough considering there so much cheaper anyway. It's is a good sweet spot as there are many manufacturer's trying to target this place as panels of this size are affordable, 20.1 and 21 inch just haven't seen much advancement these days in terms of reduced pricing.

I am saying they are a sweet spot because of their good price of only 400 CAN or so, as 20.1/21inch generally are expensive in the 600 CAN ish range at the least.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
God. Morals are so ****ed up in this country. You guys are actually defending the companies for price fixing? You guys who are actually supporting price fixing (which is admittedly certainly not proved yet) disgust me.

Nothing to do with morals, most are such graphic fantasy fanboys that they just can't fathom how their favorite could do wrong. Hope both companies go to jail.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Oh the dreaded 6 Bit vs 8 Bit thing, oh their good enough considering there so much cheaper anyway. It's is a good sweet spot as there are many manufacturer's trying to target this place as panels of this size are affordable, 20.1 and 21 inch just haven't seen much advancement these days in terms of reduced pricing.

I am saying they are a sweet spot because of their good price of only 400 CAN or so, as 20.1/21inch generally are expensive in the 600 CAN ish range at the least.

Have you ever considered that the TNs are so cheap because you get what you paid for? 6-bit color, poor viewing angle and atrocious pixel pitch to be exact.

20.1" and 21" screens use more expensive panels and that is why they arent dirt cheap.

 

[magomago]

out of curiosity why AMD? Is that only b/c they own ATI now, they will get screwed for ATI's past....or b/c AMD on its own did some sh|t?

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
God. Morals are so ****ed up in this country. You guys are actually defending the companies for price fixing? You guys who are actually supporting price fixing (which is admittedly certainly not proved yet) disgust me.

Nothing to do with morals, most are such graphic fantasy fanboys that they just can't fathom how their favorite could do wrong. Hope both companies go to jail.

They go to jail and....
We have no more GPUs.
Congratulations.
Hope you like intel integrated graphics.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: Matt2Have you ever considered that the TNs are so cheap because you get what you paid for? 6-bit color, poor viewing angle and atrocious pixel pitch to be exact.

Pixel pitch between 2 lcds that have the same resolution and physical screen size are always exactly the same. I think you mean pixel gap. Pixel pitch is a relic of crt screens which had physical phosphor dpi that exceeded display dpi. (That's why they could handle multiple resolutions better than LCDs)

 

[450R]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme
They go to jail and....
We have no more GPUs.
Congratulations.
Hope you like intel integrated graphics.

Yeah, because they send the whole company to prison. Or better yet, they send the alphabetical letters A, T, I, N, V and D to do a nickel in Chino. I just hope other companies can stay out of it ... if we lose E, O or U we'll be fresh out of vowels and then we're really in trouble.

:roll:

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

They go to jail and....
We have no more GPUs.
Congratulations.
Hope you like intel integrated graphics.

Small price to pay for actually seeing some justice. Some one soon would come along and hire the same creative people and put a product out.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
God. Morals are so ****ed up in this country. You guys are actually defending the companies for price fixing? You guys who are actually supporting price fixing (which is admittedly certainly not proved yet) disgust me.

I think one needs to hold a certain understanding of the industry before they lash out against those who do.

nVidia and ATI are the only major graphic companies for the discreet markets, which fully contribute to the progression of the gaming industry as a whole. To see either company fined millions of dollars, jailed, and thrown away would be an enourmous travesty, and therefore I'm not understanding the frivoulous argument that even if nVidia and ATI did negotiate prices for lowned segments, which already generate low margins as it is, that they ought to be completely wiped out for their inapproriate behavior. And more importantly, I see no evidence that if any price-fixing did occur, that it forced another company out of business. That's really what this is all about, imo.

But I guess it won't be until you find Intel Extreme Graphics is all that's available before you realize "hmm, maybe nVidia and ATI really are valuable after all."

I'm pro-graphics industry, and this is a pro-graphics / hardware board where enthusiasts of the industry converse. So if you're expecting a large outcry by those who rely so heavily on these companies, the same companies that drive this industry, then perhaps you need to look for that dispproval somewhere else.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

They go to jail and....
We have no more GPUs.
Congratulations.
Hope you like intel integrated graphics.

Small price to pay for actually seeing some justice. Some one soon would come along and hire the same creative people and put a product out.

And I suppose they'll be getting the hundreds of millions of dollars to design this "creative product" by....?

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: NelsieusI think one needs to hold a certain understanding of the industry before they lash out against those who do.

nVidia and ATI are the only major graphic companies for the discreet markets, which fully contribute to the progression of the gaming industry as a whole. To see either company fined millions of dollars, jailed, and thrown away would be an enourmous travesty, and therefore I'm not understanding the frivoulous argument that even if nVidia and ATI did negotiate prices for lowned segments, which already generate low margins as it is, that they ought to be completely wiped out for their inapproriate behavior. And more importantly, I see no evidence that if any price-fixing did occur, that it forced another company out of business. That's really what this is all about, imo.

But I guess it won't be until you find Intel Extreme Graphics is all that's available before you realize "hmm, maybe nVidia and ATI really are valuable after all."

I'm pro-graphics industry, and this is a pro-graphics / hardware board where enthusiasts of the industry converse. So if you're expecting a large outcry by those who rely so heavily on these companies, the same companies that drive this industry, then perhaps you need to look for that dispproval somewhere else.

Yeah, bend over and take it for your master's pleasure. Just because you like video games you think it's alright to break the law? I'm sure the judge will buy that as a reasonable defense. "But your honor! Pwning my neighbor is a community service that justifies the breaking of antitrust laws!"

In reality though, the real reason you're upset is because you're a petty fanboi who is upset that someone is daring to pick on his darling GRAPHICS PROCESSOR COMPANIES who can do no wrong and are divine.

And besides, the catastrophe you paint is a false dilemma anyway. Even if these companies got reamed by the justice department (which seems impossible since they seem to have no backbone these days), all that would happen even if the penalties were stiff would be some execs would go to jail, the companies would go bankrupt and get bought out by some private equity group.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Yeah, bend over and take it for your master's pleasure.

I stopped right here and realized you were nothing more than a troll, with poor tastes in the dept. of criticism.

:roll:

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Originally posted by: NelsieusI think one needs to hold a certain understanding of the industry before they lash out against those who do.

nVidia and ATI are the only major graphic companies for the discreet markets, which fully contribute to the progression of the gaming industry as a whole. To see either company fined millions of dollars, jailed, and thrown away would be an enourmous travesty, and therefore I'm not understanding the frivoulous argument that even if nVidia and ATI did negotiate prices for lowned segments, which already generate low margins as it is, that they ought to be completely wiped out for their inapproriate behavior. And more importantly, I see no evidence that if any price-fixing did occur, that it forced another company out of business. That's really what this is all about, imo.

But I guess it won't be until you find Intel Extreme Graphics is all that's available before you realize "hmm, maybe nVidia and ATI really are valuable after all."

I'm pro-graphics industry, and this is a pro-graphics / hardware board where enthusiasts of the industry converse. So if you're expecting a large outcry by those who rely so heavily on these companies, the same companies that drive this industry, then perhaps you need to look for that dispproval somewhere else.

Yeah, bend over and take it for your master's pleasure. Just because you like video games you think it's alright to break the law?

Their innocent until proven guilty.
I haven't read the article yet but from what I've seen posted if this actually goes through and AMD and Nvidia lose, we might be in trouble.