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Article NVIDIA allegedly cancels GeForce RTX 3080 20GB and RTX 3070 16GB

traderjay

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I guess if this is true, the current stock situation is going to be more acute. I wonder if nvidia somehow figured out that big navi is going to be a flop?
 
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Stuka87

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One of two things.

1: There are no 2GB GDDR6x RAM chips. So they would have to do the double sided board like the do with the 3090. This means higher productions costs, and it means using TWENTY RAM modules. So the card would probably end up be $200 more, which make make it cost prohibitive.

2: 2GB chips were supposed to be come available, but haven't.
 
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moonbogg

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I think Nvidia is in a really tough spot. What can they do? They need more ram to compete. There isn't any ram or there is ram but the card would cost $1200, which they would charge happily, but AMD will just reck them, so. This reminds me of when AMD used HBM instead of the regular stuff. It screwed them. Nvidia did the same thing maybe?
 

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I guess if this is true, the current stock situation is going to be more acute. I wonder if nvidia somehow figured out that big navi is going to be a flop?
This SKUs probably never existed in the 1st place. This is the same Nvidia that's gonna release a 6GB mainstream GPU in 21.
 

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Release a version with slower GDDR6 ram? Samsung 16 Ghz DDR6 chips on the 2080s clock to 18 Ghz easy anyways, so not a lot left on the table performance wise going that route.
 

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This SKUs probably never existed in the 1st place. This is the same Nvidia that's gonna release a 6GB mainstream GPU in 21.
Well Microsoft is releasing an 8GB total memory product in the form of the Series S as a next gen product. On the PC you at least have some RAM, say 16GB + 6GB of video ram. So there's that. If microsoft thinks a 4tflops 8GB total memory system is gaming worthy, why wouldn't a PC with 16GB Ram+6GB video ram not be gaming worthy?
 

dzoni2k2

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Well Microsoft is releasing an 8GB total memory product in the form of the Series S as a next gen product. On the PC you at least have some RAM, say 16GB + 6GB of video ram. So there's that. If microsoft thinks a 4tflops 8GB total memory system is gaming worthy, why wouldn't a PC with 16GB Ram+6GB video ram not be gaming worthy?
I don't consider XSS a next gen console. It's basically an X1X replacement with additional features. And we've seen reaction from ID Tech guys about VRAM size.

But at the end of the day, its a 300USD for a whole system, so it's still a phenomenal deal. 3060 alone will probably cost that much.
 

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Well Microsoft is releasing an 8GB total memory product in the form of the Series S as a next gen product.
Series S actually has 10GB total memory, 8GB @224GB/s + 2GB @56GB/s.

I don't consider XSS a next gen console. It's basically an X1X replacement with additional features. And we've seen reaction from ID Tech guys about VRAM size.

But at the end of the day, its a 300USD for a whole system, so it's still a phenomenal deal. 3060 alone will probably cost that much.
It has the same Zen 2 + RDNA2 architecture as the Series X and PS5, it's clearly next gen, but just targeting 1080-1440p resolutions which many households still have for TVs & monitors, pretty smart move IMO.
 
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Glo.

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For anybody saying that those SKUs never existed. Galax has different opinion. Those SKUs were cancelled.

PG142 was going to be the famous RTX 3070 16 GB GPU. Both RTX 3080 20 GB and RTX 3070 16 GB were on the roadmap. Somehow - now they are gone from the internal Nvidia's roadmap.
 

Zstream

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For anybody saying that those SKUs never existed. Galax has different opinion. Those SKUs were cancelled.

PG142 was going to be the famous RTX 3070 16 GB GPU. Both RTX 3080 20 GB and RTX 3070 16 GB were on the roadmap. Somehow - now they are gone from the internal Nvidia's roadmap.
They are not gone from their internal roadmaps... They just made a decision to move along from the planned SKU. It happens all the time in the industry when you make products. The real question is to why?

I disagree it has to do with memory chips alone.

1.) Current memory chips are too costly, and this is a requirement for the card to compete. They could look at another alternative but the card wouldn't perform up to par, or too expensive.

2.) The Radeon cards are NOT competitive enough in the space, and Nvidia has decided to wait.

3.) The Radeon cards are too competitive, making the Nvidia SKU's worthless (forcing them to reduce margins).

4.) The current situation with the 3080 requires that all product be focused on that card, as the margins are likely good.
 
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They are not gone from their internal roadmaps... They just made a decision to move along from the planned SKU. It happens all the time in the industry when you make products. The real question is to why?

I disagree it has to do with memory chips alone.

1.) Current memory chips are too costly, and this is a requirement for the card to compete. They could look at another alternative but the card wouldn't perform up to par, or too expensive.

2.) The Radeon cards are NOT competitive enough in the space, and Nvidia has decided to wait.

3.) The Radeon cards are too competitive, making the Nvidia SKU's worthless (forcing them to reduce margins).

4.) The current situation with the 3080 requires that all product be focused on that card, as the margins are likely good.
I would guess it's a mix of 1 and 3.

If a Radeon card lands faster than the 3080 but with 16gb ram and for the same approximate cost, 699-799, then a 3080 20gb for 899 or more becomes much less attractive. Had Radeon been slower than the 3080 they may have still went ahead.

As it is now, if the Radeon cards are indeed faster, let's say 5% for arguments sake, NVIDIA can either low the price of the 3090 or instead release a 3090 die with 12gb ram.

The 3070 and 3080 has a large gap in performance, so it might be better to release a SKU that is 15% faster than the 3070 with 12gn ram or more, probably the rumoured 103 die. But even then, having a 3070ti with more ram than the 3080 is a bit of a strange situation.
 

mohit9206

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It is quite obvious what the reason is. Nvidia knows that 16gb and 20gb is overkill hence since they care about the gaming community,they decided to cancel the higher vram models preventing gamers from wasting their money on more vram which they do not need.
 

Stuka87

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It is quite obvious what the reason is. Nvidia knows that 16gb and 20gb is overkill hence since they care about the gaming community,they decided to cancel the higher vram models preventing gamers from wasting their money on more vram which they do not need.
You can't be serious. nVidia's entire sales model is about selling things to people that they dont need.

Perhaps you forgot a /s ?
 

Mopetar

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The 3070 and 3080 has a large gap in performance, so it might be better to release a SKU that is 15% faster than the 3070 with 12gn ram or more, probably the rumoured 103 die. But even then, having a 3070ti with more ram than the 3080 is a bit of a strange situation.
I don't know if they're accurate at all, but the alleged scores for the 3070 put the 3080 about 25% above it, but that's just an artificial benchmark and the numbers could be fake anyhow.

The other problem is that even if there's a much larger gap than rumored, NVidia doesn't have any silicon to make a 3070 Ti that would be 15% better than a 3070 without making a new die since the 3070 is nearly a full GA-104 die.

If the 3070 really is that close to the 3080 it's a great deal at $500. NVidia doesn't need a GA-103 die, they just need to make a lot of 3070 cards. Since it isn't using the newer GDDR6X it should be easy for them to make a 16 GB version at some point if they really wanted to. It would also mean that more cores don't scale well for Ampere since a 3080 had over 40% more cores and memory bandwidth than the 3070. Why make another die to slot between them when it won't gain all that much if the 3070 is at the point of diminishing returns.

However, if the 3080 is a lot further ahead of the 3070, is there enough price room for a GA-103 die that has to come in between $500 and $700? It would likely have the same problem as the 3070 at that point where a 3080 is just a better value / dollar. Maybe it makes sense in the long run if NVidia needs a refresh. If they make a GA-103 that could be sold uncut as a 3080 SUPER and slightly cut as a 3070 SUPER then they have a good reason for it, but that seems like something for next fall or late summer at the soonest. By then there should be some 2 GB GDDR6X modules that would make another compelling reason for those products to exist.
 

Rakehellion

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One of two things.

1: There are no 2GB GDDR6x RAM chips. So they would have to do the double sided board like the do with the 3090. This means higher productions costs, and it means using TWENTY RAM modules. So the card would probably end up be $200 more, which make make it cost prohibitive.

2: 2GB chips were supposed to be come available, but haven't.
I'd be fine with 16GB or even 12GB. What's this 10GB bullshit on a $700 GPU?
 

Stuka87

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The only bullshit are stupid complains about it from people who don't understand that memory chips come at sizes of power-of-two or what it means to total memory capacity.
GDDR6X actually only comes in 1GB modules. Its the reason the 3090 has a double sided board. It was the only way to fit 24 ram chips.
 

Mopetar

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We should see 2 GB modules by the time NVidia would want to do a refresh of their lineup. Of course things are far from normal compared to how they handled the last two generations with AMD not only launching at the same time, but also being competitive.
 

Rakehellion

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The only bullshit are stupid complains about it from people who don't understand that memory chips come at sizes of power-of-two or what it means to total memory capacity.
Which power of two is 10GB? There's no rule that says memory must be in powers of two and often it isn't.
 
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