NVIDIA 9800GTX+ Review Thread

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Umm Tut? I just benched Lost planet at 1600x1200 at 8xAA and 16xAF.
Snow Average framerate was 75, and Cave Average framerate was 76.

What am I doing wrong? Computerbase shows 45fps on a GTX280. Whats up?

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA.
Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

One other question. How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here? I don't see that option in Lost Planet either in the game settings, nor the NV control panel.
Any thoughts?

How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here?

IF you don't answer of that question, then i feel sorry for nvidia hiring you as focus member.

Keys: Really? Cause I thought 0xAA meant no AA. And watch your GD attitude and snappy ass remarks. NO NEED. DONE. END IT. I'm tired of it.

1X anti-aliasing means no anti-aliasing. The multiplier number generally refers to the number of samples used to generate each output pixel.

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA. Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

ATI also have different type of AA option. But their huge difference techniques used. MSAA being the best.

Lost planet 1600x1200 1xAA/1xAF:
GTX 280 : 77
HD4850 : 33
9800GTX : 44

Lost planet 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 58
HD4850 : 31
9800GTX : 34

Lost planet 1600x1200 8xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 45
HD4850 : 29
9800GTX : 24

Firingsquad
Lost planet DX10 1600x1200x32 4xAA 16xAF
9800GTX : 27.8
4850 : 22.3

As for your benchmarking. I really don't know... maybe you aren't using MSAA ? also computerbase doesn't do usually use stock benchmarking because they know ATI and Nvidia can use driver cheat to get a higher score.

When using 8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xQAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?

I used 8xAA. So what was I using?

Does computerbase have downloadable timedemos? I'd be glad to try them.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Umm Tut? I just benched Lost planet at 1600x1200 at 8xAA and 16xAF.
Snow Average framerate was 75, and Cave Average framerate was 76.

What am I doing wrong? Computerbase shows 45fps on a GTX280. Whats up?

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA.
Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

One other question. How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here? I don't see that option in Lost Planet either in the game settings, nor the NV control panel.
Any thoughts?

How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here?

IF you don't answer of that question, then i feel sorry for nvidia hiring you as focus member.

Keys: Really? Cause I thought 0xAA meant no AA. And watch your GD attitude and snappy ass remarks. NO NEED. DONE. END IT. I'm tired of it.

1X anti-aliasing means no anti-aliasing. The multiplier number generally refers to the number of samples used to generate each output pixel.

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA. Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

ATI also have different type of AA option. But their huge difference techniques used. MSAA being the best.

Lost planet 1600x1200 1xAA/1xAF:
GTX 280 : 77
HD4850 : 33
9800GTX : 44

Lost planet 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 58
HD4850 : 31
9800GTX : 34

Lost planet 1600x1200 8xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 45
HD4850 : 29
9800GTX : 24

Firingsquad
Lost planet DX10 1600x1200x32 4xAA 16xAF
9800GTX : 27.8
4850 : 22.3

As for your benchmarking. I really don't know... maybe you aren't using MSAA ? also computerbase doesn't do usually use stock benchmarking because they know ATI and Nvidia can use driver cheat to get a higher score.

When using 8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xQAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?

I used 8xAA. So what was I using?

Does computerbase have downloadable timedemos? I'd be glad to try them.

You were using 4x AA + 4x CSAA. This isn't really 8xMSAA. The image quality difference minimal at best from 4xAA. Performance hit is only 10% also.

What you want is 8xQ CSAA. This would drop your frame considerably more.

 

[ChronoReverse]

Well, if you're using 4xAA, you might as well use 8xAA since the difference is minimal and in some edge cases it's significantly better.

But it's definitely not a true comparison to full 8xMSAA

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Keys: Really? Cause I thought 0xAA meant no AA. And watch your GD attitude and snappy ass remarks. NO NEED. DONE. END IT. I'm tired of it.

While it may seem that logically 0xAA/AF means no AA/AF, technically it's really 1xAA/AF, due to the number of samples used, i.e. 2x AA means 2 z-samples per pixel, and so on. Without AA/AF, the hardware is still taking 1 z-sample per pixel, otherwise it wouldn't display the correct results.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner


You do realize that AMD has made their cards on 55nm since the 38xx series, right? From the AnandTech preview article:

You do realize that the 4850 runs 25% hotter than a standard GTX right?

So, I'm not sure what your point is.

I also realize the 9800gtx runs 10dB louder, which puts the whole cooler/quieter thing in a different perspective.

If you ran the 4850's fan where it's supposed to be to adequately cool it, i guarantee that would change. According to the article you linked to, how high would you need to run the 4850 fan to get it from 68C to 48.7C. A 20C drop. Check the noise then.

They should have just made the reference cards with Dual slot coolers. Charge 15 bux more. Big deal. That would have been preferable to a single slot cooler that can barely do the job. And look how small that fan is. That annoys me. I felt the same way about the 8800GT's with that single slot cooler and super tiny fan.

10db is alot, but I suspect that I would get an aftermarket HSF - as I always seem to. More complaints on this forum about the hsf from people who would never buy one anyways - than anywhere else.

The 9800gtx+ looks to be a real improvement, but am a little surprised that nvidia felt desperate enough to go for a limp launch.

 

[Piano Man]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: Piano Man

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Power usage is up with the 9800GTX+ according to PC Perspective

D'oh!

At least the reference GTX+ uses a dual-slot cooler instead of the case heater of the reference 4850.

Yea, at this point I really want to like the ATI card, but I'm not about to install a vid card that doesn't directly exhaust air out the back of the case. I really hope some after market coolers come out for ATI, ASAP.

Just say you don't like ATI cards. No need to make excuse.

The only excuse is for saying its ok to vent hot air into the case. That's the same reason I didn't buy the 8800GT when it came out. That thing would have baked my case.

I don't have AC at my place (next to the ocean), so I like as little hot air in the case as possible for those warm summer days. These new cards get so hot, that I see no reason as to why any of them put air back into the case, since they are positioned right next to the back of the case.

Asking for a better cooler doesn't make me an enemy of the state, just a person who wants more from his product

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Umm Tut? I just benched Lost planet at 1600x1200 at 8xAA and 16xAF.
Snow Average framerate was 75, and Cave Average framerate was 76.

What am I doing wrong? Computerbase shows 45fps on a GTX280. Whats up?

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA.
Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

One other question. How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here? I don't see that option in Lost Planet either in the game settings, nor the NV control panel.
Any thoughts?

How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here?

IF you don't answer of that question, then i feel sorry for nvidia hiring you as focus member.

Keys: Really? Cause I thought 0xAA meant no AA. And watch your GD attitude and snappy ass remarks. NO NEED. DONE. END IT. I'm tired of it.

1X anti-aliasing means no anti-aliasing. The multiplier number generally refers to the number of samples used to generate each output pixel.

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA. Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

ATI also have different type of AA option. But their huge difference techniques used. MSAA being the best.

Lost planet 1600x1200 1xAA/1xAF:
GTX 280 : 77
HD4850 : 33
9800GTX : 44

Lost planet 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 58
HD4850 : 31
9800GTX : 34

Lost planet 1600x1200 8xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 45
HD4850 : 29
9800GTX : 24

Firingsquad
Lost planet DX10 1600x1200x32 4xAA 16xAF
9800GTX : 27.8
4850 : 22.3

As for your benchmarking. I really don't know... maybe you aren't using MSAA ? also computerbase doesn't do usually use stock benchmarking because they know ATI and Nvidia can use driver cheat to get a higher score.

When using 8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xQAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?

I used 8xAA. So what was I using?

Does computerbase have downloadable timedemos? I'd be glad to try them.

You were using 4x AA + 4x CSAA. This isn't really 8xMSAA. The image quality difference minimal at best from 4xAA. Performance hit is only 10% also.

What you want is 8xQ CSAA. This would drop your frame considerably more.

So what did computerbase use? I don't think they specified, unless I missed it.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Umm Tut? I just benched Lost planet at 1600x1200 at 8xAA and 16xAF.
Snow Average framerate was 75, and Cave Average framerate was 76.

What am I doing wrong? Computerbase shows 45fps on a GTX280. Whats up?

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA.
Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

One other question. How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here? I don't see that option in Lost Planet either in the game settings, nor the NV control panel.
Any thoughts?

How is Computerbase using a 1xAA setting in most games here?

IF you don't answer of that question, then i feel sorry for nvidia hiring you as focus member.

Keys: Really? Cause I thought 0xAA meant no AA. And watch your GD attitude and snappy ass remarks. NO NEED. DONE. END IT. I'm tired of it.

1X anti-aliasing means no anti-aliasing. The multiplier number generally refers to the number of samples used to generate each output pixel.

There are a lot of AA options in this game. Wow. I could do 3 types of 8xAA. Theres 8xAA, C8xAA, C8xQAA. Same thing for 16x. Pretty cool.

ATI also have different type of AA option. But their huge difference techniques used. MSAA being the best.

Lost planet 1600x1200 1xAA/1xAF:
GTX 280 : 77
HD4850 : 33
9800GTX : 44

Lost planet 1600x1200 4xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 58
HD4850 : 31
9800GTX : 34

Lost planet 1600x1200 8xAA/16xAF:
GTX 280 : 45
HD4850 : 29
9800GTX : 24

Firingsquad
Lost planet DX10 1600x1200x32 4xAA 16xAF
9800GTX : 27.8
4850 : 22.3

As for your benchmarking. I really don't know... maybe you aren't using MSAA ? also computerbase doesn't do usually use stock benchmarking because they know ATI and Nvidia can use driver cheat to get a higher score.

When using 8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xQAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?

I used 8xAA. So what was I using?

Does computerbase have downloadable timedemos? I'd be glad to try them.

You were using 4x AA + 4x CSAA. This isn't really 8xMSAA. The image quality difference minimal at best from 4xAA. Performance hit is only 10% also.

What you want is 8xQ CSAA. This would drop your frame considerably more.

So what did computerbase use? I don't think they specified, unless I missed it.

They used 8x MSAA of course. 8x CSAA uses 4 samples same as 4xAA but use 8 values so Nvidia calls it 8xAA even though it is inferior to real 8x MSAA.

 

[Keysplayr]

Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

 

[taltamir]

so is there an actual REVIEW, or only wild guesses as to how well it will perform?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

How are you monitoring your FPS? Using fraps? Built IN benchmark? Canned demo? Timed level play? Do you have anything running in the background when this happens?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

How are you monitoring your FPS?
FPS counter in game.

Using fraps?
No.

Built IN benchmark?
Yes.

Canned demo?
Built in benchmark.

Timed level play?
Built in benchmark.

Do you have anything running in the background when this happens?
When what happens?

I'm trying it again, this time at C16xQAA and the standard 16xAF.
Let you know in a few minutes what I get.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

People have different way of testing. if you got 70 some fps with your "free" 280gtx than you should also get 50 some fps with a 4850 the same way you benchmarked.

Computerbase is pretty much point on with their testings. I don't have any doubts about them.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

People have different way of testing. if you got 70 some fps with your "free" 280gtx than you should also get 50 some fps with a 4850 the same way you benchmarked.

Computerbase is pretty much point on with their testings. I don't have any doubts about them.

Yep thats my thoughts too... There no way that GTX 280 is just magically awesome... If you get 7x fps, then the 9800 and the 4850 should also raise quite a bit with your setup

 

[BFG10K]

When using 8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xQAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?

It's hard to say as the settings are ambiguous. I wouldn't have expected more than two 8x settings so who knows what the third one is.

At a guess I?d say 8x and 8xQ are the same but that begs the question of why even include the third one. Or 8x could be 8xS but I really doubt that.

I would suggest using 8x and 8xQ from the control panel and comparing benchmark results from the three game settings. Also when using game AA don't use the enhance setting in the control panel or it'll override what the game asks for and your comparison will be invalid.

Additionally the difference in your figures could simply be the result of testing a different section of the game to the reviewers.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

People have different way of testing.
True, but that is why I asked how the testing was done.

if you got 70 some fps with your "free" 280gtx
Didn't computerbase get their GTX280/HD4850 for free?
Or did they have to go and buy them at retail stores?
Free, has no bearing on the benchmarks I am getting. Free cards are not any faster
or slower than ones you pay for. Unless of course there was some underlying sentiment saying I'm lying about my scores? If so, what gives? You want truth? Or do you want BS?
Your call.

than you should also get 50 some fps with a 4850 the same way you benchmarked.
Which is why I plan to hook up with Steel Six who has just got himself two 4850's.
Lets test that theory shall we?

Computerbase is pretty much point on with their testings. I don't have any doubts about them.
Well, that's your call once again. I choose to test for myself. I believe me. LOL.

By the way, I just ran the bench at 1600x1200 C16xQAA 16xAF.
Snow: 56 Cave: 74

All this with a CPU running 1600MHz slower Quad core than computerbase (they ran a Q9770 o/c'd to 4GHz)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ok. I used C8xQAA

Snow: 68
Cave: 75

Now what?

Did you use dx10 or dx9?

What were you trying to find about anyway? You wanted to prove Computerbase benches are bogus?

DX10.

Bogus or legit. Either way. So far, looks bogus. If I got the same scores they did, I'd say they were legit. But I'm not, so I can't.

Steel Six, are you around? Have Lost Planet?

People have different way of testing. if you got 70 some fps with your "free" 280gtx than you should also get 50 some fps with a 4850 the same way you benchmarked.

Computerbase is pretty much point on with their testings. I don't have any doubts about them.

Yep thats my thoughts too... There no way that GTX 280 is just magically awesome... If you get 7x fps, then the 9800 and the 4850 should also raise quite a bit with your setup

That's right. It's not magically awesome. Just a plain old GTX280 running on a CPU 1600MHz slower than Computerbase used. Until Computerbase reveals exactly how they arrived at their benchmarks (ALL in game settings-AA-AF, their own private timedemo or canned, whatever) I'm going to have to call it questionable. Because there are questions in need of answering.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

When using 8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?
When using C8xQAA in the game options, what kind of AA is that?

It's hard to say as the settings are ambiguous. I wouldn't have expected more than two 8x settings so who knows what the third one is.

At a guess I?d say 8x and 8xQ are the same but that begs the question of why even include the third one. Or 8x could be 8xS but I really doubt that.

I would suggest using 8x and 8xQ from the control panel and comparing benchmark results from the three game settings. Also when using game AA don't use the enhance setting in the control panel or it'll override what the game asks for and your comparison will be invalid.

Additionally the difference in your figures could simply be the result of testing a different section of the game to the reviewers.

They are kind of ambiguous. I have tried all three settings and C8xQAA had the most impact. A difference of 7fps lower on Snow, and 1fps lower on Cave.
I never use "Enhance" for AA in CP.
A different testing section of the game is definitely a possiblity, but Snow is pretty intense. I haven't seen the whole game yet, but from what Ive seen, not much socks the fps like the snowy regions with tons of windblown snow and particles. But, that is irrelevant because we don't know how CB tested. If it was easily reproducible, I know I would have a bit less of a headache.

 

[Waylay00]

So what's the prospective date for the 9800GTX+ release? Early July? Late July? August?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Waylay00
So what's the prospective date for the 9800GTX+ release? Early July? Late July? August?

I heard it was july but no specific part of July. (Not from Nvidia, just around the web).

 

[Wreckem]

Between the 14th and 21st of July

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Waylay00
So what's the prospective date for the 9800GTX+ release? Early July? Late July? August?

I heard it was july but no specific part of July. (Not from Nvidia, just around the web).

they should replace your 9800gtx's with the + versions. I'd be interested to see exact comparisons on your system between the two.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Keys & Rollo: please go bitch-slap somebody at nvidia marketing for me. WHY CAN'T THEY JUST CALL THE 55NM REFRESH THE 9900GTX????? Ok, I feel better now. If they just hired nemesis away from daamit then I understand what they're doing, if not then I feel that there is still some hope that they're open to new ideas like "reason" or "simplicity".

It'd look slightly more 'authentic' to slap a "+" sticker next to existing 9800GTX packaging instead of trying to align a "9" on top of "8".

HD 4850 is indeed too hot if the reported temperatures are correct. One thing I'd like to ask to the owners: Does the card clock down in 2D? AMD had this problem back in X1900 days but it was nicely fixed with HD 3000 series. If AMD still correctly use the PowerPlay, the 2D clock should be somewhere around 250~300MHz.