Nvidia 6800 Video Encoding and Decoding Implemented Yet?

[KutterMax]

Nvidia 6800 based cards are supposed to have the ability to significantly speed up video encoding and decoding by taking the load off the CPU. Early reviews of these cards said NVIDIA had not yet activated these features in the drivers.

I've been trying to find some update information on this but couldn't come up with much. Does anyone know what the status of these features is?

 

[rbV5]

Read it and weep Link

 

[KutterMax]

Wow, doesn't sound good.

If the problem is that the hardware is not capable of video acceleration, then we have a huge problem. The fact that the 6600 card has acceleration but the 6800 doesn't is not good.

I hope that this can be fixed with a driver update, but otherwise it really bites...


At least WMVHD plays smooth on my machine because of my HT'd P4, but still it would be nice to have the video card do what it is advertised as doing...

 

[fbrdphreak]

There's a whole other thread on this, post there: Text

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: KutterMax
Wow, doesn't sound good.

If the problem is that the hardware is not capable of video acceleration, then we have a huge problem. The fact that the 6600 card has acceleration but the 6800 doesn't is not good.

I hope that this can be fixed with a driver update, but otherwise it really bites...


At least WMVHD plays smooth on my machine because of my HT'd P4, but still it would be nice to have the video card do what it is advertised as doing...

It's not a huge problem to me- I don't encode any video.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

It affects playback of certain high quality videos too.

 

[Bateluer]

Meh, they'll probably fix the chip in a future revision of the 6800. Doesn't exactly look good to have a midrange product boasting features your highend product doesn't offer.

 

[nRollo]

The only videos I watch on my pc aren't usually "high quality" if you know what I mean....

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: Rollo
The only videos I watch on my pc aren't usually "high quality" if you know what I mean....

ROTFLMAO

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Rollo
The only videos I watch on my pc aren't usually "high quality" if you know what I mean....

LOL SOOOOOO true.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Rollo
The only videos I watch on my pc aren't usually "high quality" if you know what I mean....

Gee, and I thought you were AT's moral compass

 

[Acanthus]

I encode a ton of video so this is a big deal to me, glad i waited and didnt splurge on the 6800GT right away. Im going dual 6600GTs now because of this issue (was going to go dual 6800s).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I encode a ton of video so this is a big deal to me, glad i waited and didnt splurge on the 6800GT right away. Im going dual 6600GTs now because of this issue (was going to go dual 6800s).

Well, you just said it yourself. You encode tons of video. Which means there is nothing preventing you from continuing to do this regardless if the 6800 encoder is working or not. I just use my 6800 to game. I use my pinnacle studio deluxe card to do my video chores. I think its better than any onboard video card solution anyway. But thats just me.

Computers to me are like component stereo systems. I like each component to be separate from the other. Receiver, tape deck, AMP, EQ, CD player etc. I don't like the all in one jobbies because they tend to be cheaply made most of the time. AIWA is king of this.

I thought that the integration of an encoder right in the 6800 core was neat. But that's it. Nvidia is definately in the wrong by falsly advertising this feature when it doesn't work. But, the majority of people who by 6800's want to have great gaming and probably could care less about video encoding. To the few of you out there who's 6800 purchasing decision tipped the scales because of onboard encoding, I feel for ya. And, I would ask get a refund.


:beer:

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I encode a ton of video so this is a big deal to me, glad i waited and didnt splurge on the 6800GT right away. Im going dual 6600GTs now because of this issue (was going to go dual 6800s).

Well, you just said it yourself. You encode tons of video. Which means there is nothing preventing you from continuing to do this regardless if the 6800 encoder is working or not. I just use my 6800 to game. I use my pinnacle studio deluxe card to do my video chores. I think its better than any onboard video card solution anyway. But thats just me.

Computers to me are like component stereo systems. I like each component to be separate from the other. Receiver, tape deck, AMP, EQ, CD player etc. I don't like the all in one jobbies because they tend to be cheaply made most of the time. AIWA is king of this.

I thought that the integration of an encoder right in the 6800 core was neat. But that's it. Nvidia is definately in the wrong by falsly advertising this feature when it doesn't work. But, the majority of people who by 6800's want to have great gaming and probably could care less about video encoding. To the few of you out there who's 6800 purchasing decision tipped the scales because of onboard encoding, I feel for ya. And, I would ask get a refund.


:beer:

Does the PS Deluxe card support other video editors like Premiere?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I encode a ton of video so this is a big deal to me, glad i waited and didnt splurge on the 6800GT right away. Im going dual 6600GTs now because of this issue (was going to go dual 6800s).

Well, you just said it yourself. You encode tons of video. Which means there is nothing preventing you from continuing to do this regardless if the 6800 encoder is working or not. I just use my 6800 to game. I use my pinnacle studio deluxe card to do my video chores. I think its better than any onboard video card solution anyway. But thats just me.

Computers to me are like component stereo systems. I like each component to be separate from the other. Receiver, tape deck, AMP, EQ, CD player etc. I don't like the all in one jobbies because they tend to be cheaply made most of the time. AIWA is king of this.

I thought that the integration of an encoder right in the 6800 core was neat. But that's it. Nvidia is definately in the wrong by falsly advertising this feature when it doesn't work. But, the majority of people who by 6800's want to have great gaming and probably could care less about video encoding. To the few of you out there who's 6800 purchasing decision tipped the scales because of onboard encoding, I feel for ya. And, I would ask get a refund.


:beer:

I was about to quote you for your stand but you cleared everything up in the last paragraph...
Nvidia is definately in the wrong by falsly advertising this feature when it doesn't work.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I encode a ton of video so this is a big deal to me, glad i waited and didnt splurge on the 6800GT right away. Im going dual 6600GTs now because of this issue (was going to go dual 6800s).

Well, you just said it yourself. You encode tons of video. Which means there is nothing preventing you from continuing to do this regardless if the 6800 encoder is working or not. I just use my 6800 to game. I use my pinnacle studio deluxe card to do my video chores. I think its better than any onboard video card solution anyway. But thats just me.

Computers to me are like component stereo systems. I like each component to be separate from the other. Receiver, tape deck, AMP, EQ, CD player etc. I don't like the all in one jobbies because they tend to be cheaply made most of the time. AIWA is king of this.

I thought that the integration of an encoder right in the 6800 core was neat. But that's it. Nvidia is definately in the wrong by falsly advertising this feature when it doesn't work. But, the majority of people who by 6800's want to have great gaming and probably could care less about video encoding. To the few of you out there who's 6800 purchasing decision tipped the scales because of onboard encoding, I feel for ya. And, I would ask get a refund.


:beer:

Does the PS Deluxe card support other video editors like Premiere?

I honestly don't know. But IIRC, Adobe Premiere used to be bundled with Pinnacle DV50/500 cards. So I would think it would offer it's support. Best suggestion would be to contact pinnacle for software compatibility. rbV5 may know the answer for this one.

 

[yezhou]

Does this mean that these 6800s have non-working HARDWARE? Because I got the impression from the other posts that it was some driver issue, which is the reason I'm not that pissed (yet)...

 

[rbV5]

Best suggestion would be to contact pinnacle for software compatibility. rbV5 may know the answer for this one.

I don't know about the pinnacle hardware, I know the Pinnacle E5 pro AGP board was essentially a modified ATI 8500dv without the tuner, but I have no idea about their PCI boards.

Its possible that encoding MPEG will work at some point, because obviously some MPEG decoding is working. I use NVDVD 2.55 and DVD playback is decent, and has been since I've owned the card. However, HD MPEG files are messed up after 61.77 (and require too much CPU prior to 61.77), and WMV decoding is all done by the CPU. If you have HT, or watch low bitrate video's, the CPU can handle it, if you run AMD..you need a 3.0GHz class CPU to watch 1080p WMV files, thats definately an issue.

Nvidia's silence is the real problem at this point.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I encode a ton of video so this is a big deal to me, glad i waited and didnt splurge on the 6800GT right away. Im going dual 6600GTs now because of this issue (was going to go dual 6800s).

Well, you just said it yourself. You encode tons of video. Which means there is nothing preventing you from continuing to do this regardless if the 6800 encoder is working or not. I just use my 6800 to game. I use my pinnacle studio deluxe card to do my video chores. I think its better than any onboard video card solution anyway. But thats just me.

Computers to me are like component stereo systems. I like each component to be separate from the other. Receiver, tape deck, AMP, EQ, CD player etc. I don't like the all in one jobbies because they tend to be cheaply made most of the time. AIWA is king of this.

I thought that the integration of an encoder right in the 6800 core was neat. But that's it. Nvidia is definately in the wrong by falsly advertising this feature when it doesn't work. But, the majority of people who by 6800's want to have great gaming and probably could care less about video encoding. To the few of you out there who's 6800 purchasing decision tipped the scales because of onboard encoding, I feel for ya. And, I would ask get a refund.


:beer:

Does the PS Deluxe card support other video editors like Premiere?

I honestly don't know. But IIRC, Adobe Premiere used to be bundled with Pinnacle DV50/500 cards. So I would think it would offer it's support. Best suggestion would be to contact pinnacle for software compatibility. rbV5 may know the answer for this one.

Pinnacle cards were bundled with Premiere? WTF? I thought they were bundled with their own product Studio.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jim1976

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I encode a ton of video so this is a big deal to me, glad i waited and didnt splurge on the 6800GT right away. Im going dual 6600GTs now because of this issue (was going to go dual 6800s).

Well, you just said it yourself. You encode tons of video. Which means there is nothing preventing you from continuing to do this regardless if the 6800 encoder is working or not. I just use my 6800 to game. I use my pinnacle studio deluxe card to do my video chores. I think its better than any onboard video card solution anyway. But thats just me.

Computers to me are like component stereo systems. I like each component to be separate from the other. Receiver, tape deck, AMP, EQ, CD player etc. I don't like the all in one jobbies because they tend to be cheaply made most of the time. AIWA is king of this.

I thought that the integration of an encoder right in the 6800 core was neat. But that's it. Nvidia is definately in the wrong by falsly advertising this feature when it doesn't work. But, the majority of people who by 6800's want to have great gaming and probably could care less about video encoding. To the few of you out there who's 6800 purchasing decision tipped the scales because of onboard encoding, I feel for ya. And, I would ask get a refund.


:beer:

Does the PS Deluxe card support other video editors like Premiere?

I honestly don't know. But IIRC, Adobe Premiere used to be bundled with Pinnacle DV50/500 cards. So I would think it would offer it's support. Best suggestion would be to contact pinnacle for software compatibility. rbV5 may know the answer for this one.

Pinnacle cards were bundled with Premiere? WTF? I thought they were bundled with their own product Studio.

I was thinking the same thing, but maybe this was before they introduced studio? no idea.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, you just said it yourself. You encode tons of video. Which means there is nothing preventing you from continuing to do this regardless if the 6800 encoder is working or not. I just use my 6800 to game. I use my pinnacle studio deluxe card to do my video chores. I think its better than any onboard video card solution anyway. But thats just me.

The Pinnacle Studio Deluxe card does AV to DV (AVI DV-2) conversion. It would not touch the PVP. I think you know that, but making it clear for all.

As for MPEG cards from Pinnacle, I think the Targa 3000 for Chrome does MPEG, but not sure. Pinnacle does have consumer products like Studio, but Pinnacle also does commercial and live broadcast products that are not $49.95 after MIR .

As for encode and decode, if it was supported through Direct3D, I suspect that Edition might be able to use it for its components. But since it is not there... Liquid Edition does support encode in WMV9 (I think they call the MS encoder through the XSend mechanism). LE6 supports HDV formats and native MPEG editing with long GOP. Hardware encode/decode acceleration would be a handy thing. I have seen hints that ATI X800 PCI-e is a good thing with LE6, but ATI has been about as cagey on results from their encoders. They may work, but you cannot get ATI to tell you how well.