Nvidia 6 and 7 series are no longer supported in new drivers

Deders

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Just found this in the latest driver notes:

Legacy Support for GeForce 6-series and GeForce 7-series GPUs
GeForce 6-series and GeForce 7-series GPUs have moved to legacy support with the
GeForce Release 304 drivers. These products are no longer supported beginning with the GeForce Release 310 drivers.

If this means there won't be performance updates for newer games then we should complain en mass via Driver Feedback.
 

Deders

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Found this a little further down:

Legacy Support for Tesla architecture GPUs

Beginning with Release 343, the NVIDIA grap
hics drivers no longer support the Tesla generation of NVIDIA GPUs. These products are identified in the section

Supported
NVIDIA Desktop Products and Supported NVIDIA Notebook Products.

The Release 340 drivers will continue to su
pport these products until April 1, 2016, and the NVIDIA support team will continue to address driver issues for these
products in driver branches
up to and including Release 340. However, future driver enhancements and optimizations in driver releases after Release 340 will not support these products.

The following is a summary of legacy prod
ucts beginning with Release 343 drivers:
•GeForce 8 & 9 Series Desktop Products
•GeForce 100/200/300 Series Desktop Products
•GeForce 7/8/9 Series Notebook Products
•GeForce 100/200/300 Series Notebook Products
•Quadro FX/CX/VX Workstation products
•Select Quadro NVS Workstation products
•Quadro FX and NVS

Notebook Products

•Quadro Plex 2200

Then confusingly enough there is a link to further down in the PDF file to this section:


Supported NVIDIA Desktop Products
The following table lists the NVIDIA products supported by the Release 346 driver,
version 347.52:

Table 3.1 Supported NVIDIA Desktop GPUs Consumer Products
Notes
GeForce GTX TITAN Z
GeForce GTX TITAN Black
GeForce GTX TITAN
GeForce GTX 980
GeForce GTX 970
GeForce GTX 960
GeForce GTX 780 Ti
GeForce GTX 780
GeForce GTX 770
GeForce GTX 760
GeForce GTX 760 Ti (OEM)
GeForce GTX 750 Ti
GeForce GTX 750
GeForce GTX 745
 

notty22

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Maybe post a link. That's a old driver revision, and referring to the old 6 and 7 series going back before 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_7_series


Driver support discontinued

NVIDIA has ceased driver support for GeForce 7 series, saying that "GeForce 6-series and GeForce 7-series GPUs will be moved to legacy support after GeForce R304 drivers (304.xx to 309.xx). GeForce R310 drivers will not support these products."
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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You seem to get a sick enjoyment out of this. Do you applaud when people have hardware failures also?
No, just unhappy with Kepler performance in recent titles.
I was running 2x 780s just last week in case you think I'm a fanboy.
 

exar333

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pre-dating the 8800, which might also be on legacy. It's the 6xxx and 7xxx series.


You seem to get a sick enjoyment out of this. Do you applaud when people have hardware failures also?

Gotta love the 'sky is falling' kind of comments. Plus uninformed....

The only thing surprising to me is that these weren't ALREADY on legacy drivers. These cards are what, 10 years old now?
 

RussianSensation

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Everything starting with Fermi 400 series and beyond is supported. If I am not mistaken, other than some low end re-brands, the last pre-Fermi card that's even half decent came out on April 2, 2009, or nearly 6 years ago -- and it was the GTX275:
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=609&card2=

I definitely think NV focusing its efforts on DX11 Fermi and beyond is a good way to spend your financial resources as optimizing for anything below seems like a case of diminishing returns when a $100-120 750Ti is as fast as a GTX480 in a sub-60W power envelope! I have a GT620

Having said that, there is no doubt that NV is prioritizing Maxwell over Fermi and Kepler and the former architecture is simply better for modern titles. It's impossible to tell what fraction of Maxwell's performance advantage over Kepler is due to NV's better driver focus on Maxwell and what fraction is related to poor compute shader performance of Fermi and Kepler (modern games are more likely to use compute shaders since PS4/XB1 are based on Compute shader GCN architecture).

I would say that unfortunately you missed the perfect time to sell your 780 card as many users were able to offload them for $275-285 right before 970 dropped and got a cheap side-grade. 780 @ 1.2Ghz is still a potent card. I think you can coast for another 1-2 years until 14nm GPUs depending on your willingness to turn down settings. Alternatively, you can wait for major pricing re-adjustments on 980 once R9 300/GM200 cards launch and decide if you want to upgrade to a 980 or the higher end cards. Since you didn't jump on 970/980 around launch, I'd say just keep waiting at this point.

You seem to get a sick enjoyment out of this. Do you applaud when people have hardware failures also?

I don't think he would have upgraded from 780 SLI if the performance was consistent since launch when 780 clobbered a 7970Ghz. I think he is just laughing at the NV fanboy(s) who bought his used card(s) while he was able to get XFX R9 290Xs and shockingly end up with profits are selling his 780s. It is pretty funny and sad at the same time when you think that someone in the US would be so brand-brainwashed/blinded enough to pay more for 780s with less VRAM, way worse SLI performance and the cards being used vs. brand new lifetime warrantied 290Xs with a free game that can be resold too.

In this hobby it often pays to upgrade more often, even if it means switching sides because videocards just keep depreciating and games get more demanding.
 
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railven

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No, just unhappy with Kepler performance in recent titles.
I was running 2x 780s just last week in case you think I'm a fanboy.

Yeah, I'm starting to see that myself as I catch up on my gaming back log.

Sad to see my shiny newer GTX 780 is not even 10% faster than my old 7970 GE

:(
 

Charlie98

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Something is going on... GFE is crashing on both my 760 and 970 machines... but is OK with my 560 machine?
 

RussianSensation

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I'm glad I kept my GTX 470, I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do with DX12.

If you live in the US, if you can try to set up a Deal Alert for a GTX750Ti 2GB as they often sell < $100, or if you want more performance a deal alert for a 970. The problem with a GTX470 is 1.28GB of VRAM which is a severe bottleneck today even at 1080P. Since DX12 and Windows 10 are nearly a year away, that means games will get even more demanding and texture heavy for a card like a GTX470. On the positive side, you'll be able to get a lot more performance for less $ if you keep waiting and are not in a rush to upgrade based on the games you play.

Yeah, I'm starting to see that myself as I catch up on my gaming back log.

Sad to see my shiny newer GTX 780 is not even 10% faster than my old 7970 GE

:(

It's not your fault as I don't think anyone on our forums predicted that GTX780 would age so poorly in future titles. At the time of release, a 780 was a nice bump over the 7970Ghz. Also, because of overclocking, your card is still much faster than a 7970Ghz. Don't forget that the 10% delta is between a stock 780 but yours is a highly overclocked one :)
 
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I don't think he would have upgraded from 780 SLI if the performance was consistent since launch when 780 clobbered a 7970Ghz. I think he is just laughing at the NV fanboy(s) who bought his used card(s) while he was able to get XFX R9 290Xs and shockingly end up with profits are selling his 780s. It is pretty funny and sad at the same time when you think that someone in the US would be so brand-brainwashed/blinded enough to pay more for 780s with less VRAM, way worse SLI performance and the cards being used vs. brand new lifetime warrantied 290Xs with a free game that can be resold too.



This is not even going to be a discussion here. I do not want to hear fanboy arguments and how others are 'brand brainwashed'. If I see another one of these it will be an immediate 2 point infraction, from anyone.

This is a thread regarding NVidia driver support. Any mentions of AMD price/performance or anything not driver related will be dealt with.

-Rvenger
 
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railven

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It's not your fault as I don't think anyone on our forums predicted that GTX780 would age so poorly in future titles. At the time of release, a 780 was a nice bump over the 7970Ghz. Also, because of overclocking, your card is still much faster than a 7970Ghz. Don't forget that the 10% delta is between a stock 780 but yours is a highly overclocked one :)

I'm not going to flip out, love my card, just really not what I was expecting.

At least older games (and the MMO's I play) still get brilliant performance.

I'll probably have to upgrade sooner rather than later.

Interesting to see how FFXIV DX11 version plays out. If some of the issue is the native support of AMD hardware on consoles, with the PS4 version being tied to the DX11 PC Client, I wonder if FFXIV would favor AMD hardware versus Nvidia.
 

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I like Nvidia's long support time for their older series. By the time Nvidia moves them to legacy or out of support, the cards are actually too slow for most new releases. These last two years we've gotten more and more games requiring DX11.0 hw

The Geforce 6 and 7 series also got an official Windows 8.0 driver, and the DX10 cards got an official 8.1 driver.
 

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I like Nvidia's long support time for their older series. By the time Nvidia moves them to legacy or out of support, the cards are actually too slow for most new releases. These last two years we've gotten more and more games requiring DX11.0 hw

Yeah my first gpu back in 2006 was a 6200le,ran it with Xp and it seemed if i still had it i would just now be screwed on support.Hell i know the HD4000 in my i7 3770 is some cases faster or at least as fast as a 9500gt....miles faster then the 6200le.

HD3000 certainly is slower then 9500gt,think 6800gt is as fast as 9500gt?
 

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I don't think he would have upgraded from 780 SLI if the performance was consistent since launch when 780 clobbered a 7970Ghz. I think he is just laughing at the NV fanboy(s) who bought his used card(s) while he was able to get XFX R9 290Xs and shockingly end up with profits are selling his 780s. It is pretty funny and sad at the same time when you think that someone in the US would be so brand-brainwashed/blinded enough to pay more for 780s with less VRAM, way worse SLI performance and the cards being used vs. brand new lifetime warrantied 290Xs with a free game that can be resold too.

I sold the XFX R9 290 DD I got on Black Friday and replaced it with a PNY GTX 780 CC that was on sale from Newegg for $245 new ($299.99 - $30 MIR check - $25 AMX Twitter promo). The games I play most frequently all run better on the GTX. Most noticeably WoW's recent expansion. One wouldn't think it would matter in WoW, but Blizzard has revamped the graphics engine and even on a 1920x1200 IPS I was getting hitching and stutter in high population areas such as Ashran and the Alliance Garrison. The 780 is smooth as butter on Ultra, the R9 wasn't. Simple as that. I've kind of gone off the deep end on WoW again, so it was worth the small extra price to switch (got nearly what I paid for the R9 in November). As with anything being satisfied depends on what you're going to use a piece of hardware for. For $245 for a brand new GTX 780 with a nice HSF I don't think I could have done better for my particular needs/wants.
 

RussianSensation

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What do you guys think is a reasonable time-frame for regular driver support for AMD/NV cards? I think 5 years for all-encompassing architecture driver optimizations but after that probably shift to quarterly or bi-annual driver releases. If AMD and NV were larger companies like Samsung or Apple, it would be more reasonable to expect driver support beyond 5 years.

In the real world since we have GPU progress, generally speaking a $500 flagship AMD/NV's performance can be purchased in a more power efficient, more feature-laden newer card for $100-150 or so 4-5 years from those flagship card's launches (as an example $149 750Ti about 4 years since GTX480 launched with similar performance at less than 1/4 of its power usage, with updated video codec, etc). For that reason I feel it's OK for NV/AMD to stop focusing on frequent driver releases/optimizations beyond 5 years for a particular generation. The only exception I guess is is the architecture spans 1-2 generations, which would make it easier to support the older architecture.

The cut-off at Fermi seems reasonable since NV is optimizing for DX11 hardware and beyond. I think for those gamers who hold on to their GPUs for a lot longer than 5 years for actual PC gaming purposes, it's often better to buy a console. Chances are you'll still be able to play some next gen 2018-2019 games on a PS4. Also, anything slower than Fermi can't really handle DX11 games with tessellation; so I don't see much point in trying to squeeze 1-2 fps out of ancient GTX275/280/285 cards, etc.

What are your guys thoughts?
 
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Magic Carpet

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@ OP

I remember the news of moving 6 and 7 series to legacy support. Wondered, how long it would take for 8, 9, 2xx to follow suit. Oh boy, am I surprised. Sure as hell, I'd hoped for longer support for cards like 275 at least.

This is clear now, Nvidia is just getting as bad as AMD with older products. No longer a "pro" in my book.

EDIT: As the life-cycle is getting shorter every year, I suppose, we shouldn't be really surprised. Next version of windows is likely to force GPU upgrades en masse, unless people want to stick with microsoft generic drivers.
 
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WhoBeDaPlaya

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Yeah, I'm starting to see that myself as I catch up on my gaming back log.
Sad to see my shiny newer GTX 780 is not even 10% faster than my old 7970 GE
:(
I was stoked for FC4, then saw the GameGPU charts and thought that they mislabeled the results.

The 780 is still a fine card for older titles and still offers sufficient performance for new titles, but due to a combination of nVIDIA driver team reprioritization and Kepler's hardware differences from Maxwell, it seems to be slipping backwards.
For $245 for a brand new GTX 780 with a nice HSF I don't think I could have done better for my particular needs/wants.
That's definitely a sick deal! Forked over $350+ ea. for my 780s, but traded my old 7970GHz straight up for those due to the Litecoin craze in 2013.
 

SPBHM

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old news and 6 and 7 are from 2004-2005... so... yes...


the 8 series started in late 2006 and were supported until 2014? not bad