I haven't heard anything about these lately. I was wondering if anybody had any speculation on when we should begin seeing these hit the stores. Should I wait for them or just get a GTX 280 now. I'm building a new i7 system and can't put it together till after dec. 5th anyway cause thats when the CPU water block I want comes out. So I'll wait till at least then. I was hoping it's be out by then.