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IntelEnthusiast

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Last year we ended a court case between Intel® and nVidia where we gave them a large amount of money and gained access to a lot of their patents. I don't believe that they were given the right to build chipset for our processors. To my knowledge they are not currently building any desktop chipset/boards.

There is no agreement in place for us to manufacturer nVidia chips for them.
 
Meghan54

Meghan54

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I think the OP has simply misinterpreted the linked article. What I get from it is a wish from Nvidia that Intel would "rent" out fab facilities to other chip designers and let them take advantage of the obvious advantages Intel seems to have over everyone else in chip production. Guess it stems from Nvidia's frustration with their current fab partner and the seeming problems TSMC has with node shrinks vs. the seeming ease Intel has doing the same node shrinks. Of course, no one really knows how much Intel struggles with each node shrink...probably more than is apparent.
 
Cerb

Cerb

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videobruce said:
Just how has this deal last year between Wintel and nVidia affect motherboards with nVidia chipsets?
Are these nVidia or are they Wintel? I have had nVidia chipset MB's for the past 10 years.

FWIW, I did come across this;
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-nvidia-chip-manufacturing-tegra,15117.html

(In case you haven't figured it out, I have little use for for anything associated with Wintel)
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1. It has nothing to do with chipsets. That market has died and gone to commodity heaven. The sad part was that Intel wanted to shut them out of it through lawyers, rather than do what AMD did, and just offer people what they wanted.
2. NVidia wants to build chips. I'm not sure anyone out there is doing better than TSMC, aside from Intel. So, "hey, Intel, can we pay you make us some GPUs and SoCs?"
3. It's Intel, no W. The year is 2012. Linux is here, OS X is here, and MS has sided with AMD on more than a few occasions.
 
nenforcer

nenforcer

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Nvidia hasn't released a chipset (motherboard) for desktop Intel processors since 2008, the LGA775 nForce 780i (DDR2) and nForce 790i (DDR3).

They did release the nVidia ION chipset for Intel ATOM cpu's in 2009.

The last chipset they ever released was the 980A series for AMD Phenom / Phenom 2 in 2009 before closing this division due to a lack of bus licenses for Intel chipsets and not wanting to support there competitor AMD by selling more AMD CPU's after they bought ATI.
 
ShintaiDK

ShintaiDK

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The article is about nVidia wanting to get GPUs made on Intels processnodes. Those nodes are the best in the world and 3-4 years ahead of competition if you look besides the nm alone.

Glofo is a joke. TSMC is struggling. And thats about it.
 
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videobruce

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I think the OP has simply misinterpreted the linked article.
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I only provided the link because it was recent, not specifically for the topic.
MS has sided with AMD on more than a few occasions.
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Please enlighten me other than lawsuits it may of lost?
 
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videobruce

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in 2009 before closing this division due to a lack of bus licenses for Intel chipsets and not wanting to support there competitor AMD by selling more AMD CPU's after they bought ATI.
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I was aware of a 'deal' between Intel & nVidia, but didn't know the exact details other than I thought it was for Intel to get a hand on GPU's since their processors & chipsets sucked when it came to graphics. And considering the deal between AMD and ATI, it was a logical event (whatever it actually was).

The reason for my thread in the 1st place was, since I have run nVidia MB based boards for the past 8 plus years, I wondered how that 'business arrangement' would affect AMD based system MB's.

No idea what/who TSMC is, but will look. :'(
 
Cerb

Cerb

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videobruce said:
I only provided the link because it was recent, not specifically for the topic. Please enlighten me other than lawsuits it may of lost?
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x86-64 is the first thing that pops into my head.

The reason for my thread in the 1st place was, since I have run nVidia MB based boards for the past 8 plus years, I wondered how that 'business arrangement' would affect AMD based system MB's.
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It only affected newer Intel CPUs. NVidia lost AMD chipset sales because AMD began offering good chipsets at good prices in high volume. I do lament the loss of cheap integrated Quadro IGP...
 
sandorski

sandorski

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Cerb said:
x86-64 is the first thing that pops into my head.

It only affected newer Intel CPUs. NVidia lost AMD chipset sales because AMD began offering good chipsets at good prices in high volume. I do lament the loss of cheap integrated Quadro IGP...
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As I recall, Nvidia basically abandoned the AMD platform. Probably a wise business decision at the time as AMD had/has a small Market and as has been stated AMD finally had a top notch Chipset they would have an extreme difficulty to compete against. In retrospect, it may have been a mistake and permanently shut themselves off from the Chipset Market. That said, would their Share be large enough to make staying in Chipsets worth it? Probably not.

As for Intels Fabs. Intel could make a killing Fabbing chips for others. Hell, AMD would probably be jumping at that opportunity. However, for Intel their Fabbing advantage gives their Products a Technical advantage. That's not their only advantage, but if they lost it, they put themselves at risk.
 
Cerb

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videobruce said:
Then, for an AMD based MB, is AMD chipsets the only choice now?
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Yes, and the same for Intel. In Intel's case, they preferred to kill off competition that had some demand, before meeting that demand. In AMD's case, SiS dropped out by the time AM2 came out, while NV, VIA, and ALi/ULi remained kinda flaky. AMD chipsets have been great, over the years, but not always the best performers, and AMD really never pushed them, outside of server and workstation boards (which NF2 got used for later in socket A's life).

Once AMD came out with the 740G, at a good price, in sufficient volume, the writing was on the wall. Ultimately, chipsets are moving towards being little more than extra pins, so it was going to happen anyway, within the next few years, even if it hadn't happened the way that it did. I do miss being able to get Quadro NVS IGP, since CAD users I do work for have never needed powerful graphics, but c'est la vie.
 
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bononos

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Got 2 questions here: -How are current AMD chipsets in comparison with Intel ones? -How good are current AMD mbs(implementation of AMD chipsets) vs Intel at similar price points?
 
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While nForce chipsets had some nice features I do wonder about the quality of their drivers: certainly I remember coming across few thread with people's instabilities being due to nForce drivers.

And this Asus nForce 7150 board has the dubious distinction of being the only mobo I ever bough which failed (after just over three years). Funny thing is I had this BioStar S774 nForce 6100 board which is six+ years old and still works fine. I believe the nForce 7150s were part of the notorious Nvidia defects although www.nvidiadefect.com only lists the 7150M as being faulty.

Yes, Intel killed of third party chipsets by patenting everything (handy for Intel as it gives their older fab lines something to do since even Intel cannot afford to upgrade all fabs at once), but I for one do not miss Nvidia's chipsets...
 
nenforcer

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videobruce said:
I wasn't prepared for that. I have used nVidia based MB's for the past 9 or 10 years now.
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I should have mentioned that nVidia has pretty much moved the chipset division over to building ARM based TEGRA SoC's for both mobile
"super" phones and tablets.

They are in a dogfight with both Qualcomm and Texas Instruments, not to mention Apple A4/A5, ST Nova/Thor and Samsung Exnyos.

They are rumored to be working on a ARM CPU / PC SoC called "Project Denver" which will run Windows 8 RT.

Good luck getting any PC software to run on it, however.
 
sandorski

sandorski

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videobruce said:
I wasn't prepared for that. I have used nVidia based MB's for the past 9 or 10 years now.
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Look what I stumbled across

It's an Asrock AM3+ motherboard with Nvidia Chipset and Nvidia Onboard Video. Uses DDR2 or DDR3 ram, but it only supports CPUs up to 95watts. Only has 1 PCI-e 16x slot and 1 PCI-e 1x slot, so SLI is not available.

It's not that great of a Motherboard though. No SATA3, no USB3, only 4 SATA headers, 5.1 Audio, it has a COM port of all things, and only has a VGA Port for the Onboard Video(which is DX9 capable only). Seems to be an old NVidia Chipset Asrock dusted off to make a niche oddity with.
 
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