NV72... is that a Geforce 4?

[TheInternal]

Hi all,

been doing tons of research and inquiring around to find a replacement for a dead notebook motherboard from 2006. I've seen the term "NV72" paired with a intel 945PM chipset mentioned on a number of HP / Compaq notebook motherboards from around 2006. Is the NV72 a Geforce 4? Is it safe to assume that it's a lot better than intel's 945GM graphics solution?

Thanks!

 

[EarthwormJim]

Could it possibly be G72? That's a lower end 7xxx series part.

NV parts pretty much predate 2006. A geforce 4 MX is like from 2002, and a geforce 4 MX is really a geforce 2 (yikes!).

 

[TheInternal]

yeah, I know Geforce 4's are ancient, but you gotta remember that notebook graphics have traditionally had massive delay on getting to market compared to their desktop brethren.

I'm guessing a dedicated GPU from 1995 would still kick most of intel's graphics chips arses.

 

[tweakboy]

What is that, does he mean geforce 7200 ? Might be gf MX ,, either way I wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole... thx gl

 

[Fox5]

yeah, I know Geforce 4's are ancient, but you gotta remember that notebook graphics have traditionally had massive delay on getting to market compared to their desktop brethren.

I'm guessing a dedicated GPU from 1995 would still kick most of intel's graphics chips arses.

Nah, it would lose pretty horrible to anything still in production. Intel's only about 8 years behind the curve I'd say.

Anyhow, that's a geforce 4 mx.

 

[ViRGE]

As noted elsewhere, no NVIDIA product had the codename NV72. I think EarthwormJim is correct in that it's actually G72, as the G7x generation was the first one where NVIDIA dropped the NVxx codename, so some early documentation had the NV prefix instead of the G prefix.

In any case, G72 would correlate to the GeForce Go 7200/7300/7400. So it's a slow GeForce 7 series part. It should be significantly faster than the GMA 950 GPU in the 945GM chipset.

 

[mv2devnull]

Linux hardware database knows this much:

$ grep "NV17" /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids
        0170  NV17 [GeForce4 MX 460]
        0171  NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]
        0172  NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420]
        0173  NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440-SE]
        0174  NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]
        0175  NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go]
        0176  NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M]
        0177  NV17 [GeForce4 460 Go]
        0178  NV17GL [Quadro4 550 XGL]
        0179  NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go 64M]
        017a  NV17GL [Quadro NVS]
        017b  NV17GL [Quadro4 550 XGL]
        017c  NV17GL [Quadro4 500 GoGL]
        017d  NV17 [GeForce4 410 Go 16M]

$ grep "MX 440" /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids
        0171  NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]
                10de 0008  Apple OEM GeForce4 MX 440
        0173  NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440-SE]
        0181  NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]
                1043 8063  GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8X
                1462 8880  MS-StarForce GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
        0182  NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440SE AGP 8x]
$ grep "NV72" /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids

$ grep "G72" /usr/share/hwdata/pci.ids
        01d0  G72 [GeForce 7350 LE]
        01d1  G72 [GeForce 7300 LE]
        01d3  G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS]
        01d6  G72M [GeForce Go 7200]
        01d7  G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300]
        01d8  G72M [GeForce Go 7400]
        01d9  G72M [GeForce Go 7450]
        01da  G72M [Quadro NVS 110M]
        01db  G72M [Quadro NVS 120M]
        01dc  G72GL [Quadro FX 350M]
        01dd  G72 [GeForce 7500 LE]
        01de  G72GL [Quadro FX 350]

And Google spots "eVGA NV72 GeForce4 MX440" ...

 

[EarthwormJim]

yeah, I know Geforce 4's are ancient, but you gotta remember that notebook graphics have traditionally had massive delay on getting to market compared to their desktop brethren.

I'm guessing a dedicated GPU from 1995 would still kick most of intel's graphics chips arses.

Not a 4 year delay. Geforce 4 MX is such an ancient part. It even predates shader hardware. It doesn't make sense for an NV1x GPU to be labeled as an NV72 part either.

Nvidia does relabel old parts as new, but not when there's a 6 generation difference.

It's gotta be a G72, so a lower end 7xxx series card.

 

[mv2devnull]

On second thought:

... to find a replacement for a dead notebook motherboard from 2006 ...

What is the exact model of the notebook? That could point to the specs of what it had.
What is required from the replacement? I presume that not just anything fits into the case.
Does it end up cheaper to fix the old than buy a new notebook?

 

[TheInternal]

It's a HP Pavilion dv5000 series lappy made in 2006, part number EX203AV.

I'm hoping to replace the original motherboard (SPS-430197-001 featuring an intel 945GML chipset) with what HP said was a "compatible" SPS-430195-001 motherboard featuring an "intel 945PM and NV72 chipset". HP listed the 430195, 430196, and 430197 as the "compatible" replacement boards.

My HOPE is to slap a socket M (easy to confirm by looking at the board) intel Core Solo T1350 I have from a similar Compaq Presario C300 series notebook instead of using the Celeron M 410 from the original board. (both the motherboard from the HP and Compaq physically fit in the HP housing and vice versa, but both boards are dead and the Compaq case is broken at the hinges). I also intend to use the LCD panel from the Compaq since I know for certain it works (part SPS-430530-001 FPC) rather than the possibly defective SPS-430527-001 from the HP. An HP rep said it would "probably" work (both panels use the same inverter part number, SPS-407800-001 IN/B).

Getting 100% confirmation that the CPU and LCD would work has been nigh impossible, thus far... I have been unable to even get a "maybe" from any of the retailers, instead being told to replace the original part number with an identical part number (and not change anything else).

HP and retailers won't confirm or deny if the CPU and motherboard combo is possible / safe to do. It's within the specifications of the 945 series chipset... as is 4 GB of RAM (HP says max of 2 GB of RAM)...

I'm going through all this effort because the motherboard being replaced would be around $50-$100 versus buying even a crappy low end system for $300.

That and I'm stupid broke.

I'm back in school through financial aid and have a part time gig in the social work field that doesn't pay much. But, I digress...

Returning to my investigations thus far;

Google's been able to tell me about as much as some others mentioned... that NV72 is something related to HP, and is associated with an EVGA Geforce 4 MX at some point.

Geforce 4s were still regularly being sold in 2004, which would match the 2 or so year delay on GPUs being released in notebooks (during that time).

The intel 945PM, unlike the intel 945GM and GML, requires a GPU to paired with it (if I read the intel website description properly).

There's a big spot on the 197 with solder points for a sizeable chip surrounded by four solder points. I'm operating under the assumption that those solder points are for a GPU and RAM since it sure as heck looks like that (and since those solder points are unoccupied on the 197, but occupied on the 195 with a large chip and two small chips... presumably GPU and a little bit of RAM).

HP would not provide CPU compatibility nor more details on the chipset, which has proven to be incredibly annoying, since most the retailers won't either. I've felt like a private investigator the last few weeks with all the phone calls and emails I've made just to get what information I have now. About the only remaining option I have is to contact the HP service center and beg for a seasoned technician to speak with.

I just need a notebook that can run windows 7 comfortably for word processing and internet surfing. I'd like to be able to run the Adobe suite, watch DVDs / video, and do some casual gaming (even if just old school mostly 2D titles) as well, which I think the Core Solo could handle.

For $50 to $100, I don't mind getting my hands dirty and learning more about notebooks (I've built around 1000 desktop PCs professionally over the years, but have rather limited experience with notebooks).

I may just give in and take a chance on a buying a $50 board without getting confirmation when I get my pail grant in (and risk toasting a handful of decent functioning components).