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NV40 Review at Tom's
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ForceCalibur
Banned
Rather odd that Tom's doesn't have 3Dmarks 03 scores.
Matthias99
Diamond Member
Man, they're getting hit hard. It might help if the article wasn't split up into like 60 pages... there are 3 or four pages for each game benchmark (regular, AA, AF, AA+AF)!
Basically, the NV40 is packing some serious heat, as well as some serious power requirements (a 480W power supply and two free molex connectors) and a seriously high price tag ($499, as I expected). It'll be very interesting to see what the X800 XT, 6800 NU, and X800 Pro can do in comparison. It's nice to see what the high-end cards can do, but they're not what wins the marketshare war...
Basically, the NV40 is packing some serious heat, as well as some serious power requirements (a 480W power supply and two free molex connectors) and a seriously high price tag ($499, as I expected). It'll be very interesting to see what the X800 XT, 6800 NU, and X800 Pro can do in comparison. It's nice to see what the high-end cards can do, but they're not what wins the marketshare war...
Keysplayr
Elite Member
I have a feeling that the R420's answer to the NV40 is going to be like what the NV30's answer was to the R300. I could be wrong, I know.
This is probably why ATI is hurrying its 16 pipe card along. The 12 pipe probably will perform very nicely compared to the 9800XT, but probably wont be able to catch the NV40. And I am very happy that NV finally offers equivelent or minutely better AA quality.
I will be picking one of these up down the road a ways, maybe the NU version.
This is probably why ATI is hurrying its 16 pipe card along. The 12 pipe probably will perform very nicely compared to the 9800XT, but probably wont be able to catch the NV40. And I am very happy that NV finally offers equivelent or minutely better AA quality.
I will be picking one of these up down the road a ways, maybe the NU version.
I'm guessing the X800XT wins a few tests but looses the majority to the 6800U and like you, the nu/pro series of cards are the ones I care about. I agree about the 12/16 pipe radeons too, It's pretty evident now why ATI is rushing the XT out a month after the Pro this round. Of course it will be mid-late may before all of this comes out and we can actually buy some of these cards, then probably july-august before any of them drop into my 250$ video card budget.
The X800XT will have twice the number of pipes of the 9800XT, 50% higher core clock and 70% higher memory clock. (according to the specs I have seen).
It will have the same number of pipes as the 6800U, 50% higher core clock, and about 9% higher memory clock.
They will have also refined AA/AF techniques.
I think for the high end it will be very close, but if anything the XT will have the advantage.
Theoretical 6800U fillrate is 6.4gp, theoretical X880Pro is 6gp, not all that much different, but the 6800U *should* beat it by a bit, especially as I think it's meant to have higher mem clock than the X800Pro.
Should be a close battle though, and I think price points will be a big factor. If they perform closely, but have a big price difference, it could be a big thing.
lol.. why is that? cause the xt was the faster card last round with lower core and memory clocks? you can't direclty equate clock speed to performance when comparing different architectures. we'll know in a few weeks tho, although, like you i don't think the performance difference will be huge - but hey, i don't think they are 'huge' this round either 🙂
what i would like to see tho is more competition. with just 2 companies competing, competetive hardware doesn't seem to result in competetive pricing 🙁
I'm in agreement with Lonyo here.
I think the difference being this past round even when it could be argued nV's performance was similar, the general consensus was the image quality was not. From the little bit of info we have so far it appears as though nVidia has stepped up to the plate this round and leveled the playing field on the IQ issue. If that's the case it's all down to speed, and if that is similar between the two the ps3.0 features could be a deciding factor.
well, again, having both nv35, r300, r350 running in 3 rigs, while i agree in some cases ati had the IQ advantage, with the exception of 1.1 far cry patch having a huge negative impact on nv IQ, the differences were not "huge" there either. to me the biggest advantage of my 9800 was ps2 shader performance, and with only 1 game making a difference (and even within the game, it was only in a limited # of circumstances), it really wasn't a big deal, as to get the type of IQ i want from a game such as that, it would require a next gen card (whether ati or nvidia) anyways...
i look forward to ati's release announcements in a few weeks tho.. wish it wasn't so far away.
Johnbear007
Diamond Member
Personally I think the power requirement is just ridiculous. I bought a 430W truepower a few months ago thinking it would last me quite awhile. As far as consumer grade powersupplies go, we top out at 550 or 600 WATTS, unless you are want to spend ALOT of money (or get a crappy BS rated PSU) PSU technology for the ned user isn't keeping up with power needs for cards like this.
Also think about this.
Most people have Dell's. A Dell PSU won't run a card like this, and alot of the time their cases won't fit a standard sized power supply.
I know that the highend card is a NICHE product, but I think they really narowed the niche with power requirement.
Also think about this.
Most people have Dell's. A Dell PSU won't run a card like this, and alot of the time their cases won't fit a standard sized power supply.
I know that the highend card is a NICHE product, but I think they really narowed the niche with power requirement.
They can't handle an extra 8 Watts? That is all this card uses above the 5950Ultra: 6800Ultra Power consumption
Thanks klah :beer: Tech Report was the 2nd review I read after AT's and I'm beginning to think we need a thread titled 6800 power requirements almost identical to 5950, stop bugging about your true430 not being able to push it!
InlineFive
Diamond Member
Geeze you people, just look at the first page of General Hardware and Video! We don't need the nth repost!
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Keysplayr
Elite Member
Your 430 will run it just fine if yours is a high quality PSU.
Most people have Dells? You and I both know that if you buy a Dell, you are not the enthusiast you think you might be. Everyone
I know who is serious about computers, builds their own. And Dell wont offer the 6800 of any flavor in their retail rigs as an option.
They will offer value to mainstream cards at best as they have always done. Only with the "Precision Workstations" are the Quadro or FireGL
cards available.
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