NV30 - Nvidia's Rampage - Is it coming out next Fall?
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Hey Dark4ng3l, considering that the development cycle of a video card is over a year, nVidia would be in deep crap if it wasn't working on the development of this card.
There is a lot of interesting info posted on the net on this subject, and if you are ignorant (as u happen to be) then u should keep your hands off your keyboard while browsing these forums.
Here is some interesting info on this subject:
Link
According to it, the card was supposed to be out this spring... and it is the first card to implement 3dfx tech. Also this card is supposed to support directx 9.
Here is an interesting post on the rampage at Penstar forums. Link According to it, the rampage was supposed to support 52 bit color
There is a lot of interesting info posted on the net on this subject, and if you are ignorant (as u happen to be) then u should keep your hands off your keyboard while browsing these forums.
Here is some interesting info on this subject:
Link
According to it, the card was supposed to be out this spring... and it is the first card to implement 3dfx tech. Also this card is supposed to support directx 9.
Here is an interesting post on the rampage at Penstar forums. Link According to it, the rampage was supposed to support 52 bit color
Got some additional info on this board which I figured I'd post. Here's the link Interestingly the nv30 is labeled as the dreamforce... can't imagine that will be the real name!
It will be built on .12 micron tech, core speed will be 800mhz, ram speed 2000mhz, 256mb ram maximium, 35gb/sec ram bandwith, 150 megatriangles/sec, and 80,000 megatexals/sec.
To be frank, these numbers seem wild to me.
It will be built on .12 micron tech, core speed will be 800mhz, ram speed 2000mhz, 256mb ram maximium, 35gb/sec ram bandwith, 150 megatriangles/sec, and 80,000 megatexals/sec.
To be frank, these numbers seem wild to me.
To be frank, these numbers seem wild to me.
You call D4rk ignorant yet in the next breath post specualtion from 3dgpu which is whack to say the least, and you even admit that it seems wild. Heck, those guys don't even have data on nV25.
If you ask stuff like this, don't criticize the replies. Your guess is as good as anyone elses. I take that back, your guess would probably be way off.
You call D4rk ignorant yet in the next breath post specualtion from 3dgpu which is whack to say the least, and you even admit that it seems wild. Heck, those guys don't even have data on nV25.
If you ask stuff like this, don't criticize the replies. Your guess is as good as anyone elses. I take that back, your guess would probably be way off.
Merlocka, D4rk states that he doesn't know anything about the nv30 and assumes that no one knows anything about it and then states that therefore I should not be asking questions about it. It is silly on his part to tell me that I should not ask questions. Perhaps he wants to remain ignorant, but that doesn't mean that everyone else desires ignorance.
The purpose of this thread was to find out whether anyone has any info on the board. I am also posting speculations and possible leaks, which is more than either you or the other lamer have contributed.
The purpose of this thread was to find out whether anyone has any info on the board. I am also posting speculations and possible leaks, which is more than either you or the other lamer have contributed.
They seem to be confused on what constitutes a 256bit memory bus, they seem to have followed nVidia's PR mischief in twisting around numbers to imply the GF2 GTS and all cards since have a 256bit memory bus, which is quite incorrect.
Their specs for minimum and maximum theoretical DRAM buffer is incorrect straight across the board.
A, but about their NV30 claims...
The listed maximum resolution seems extremely dubious to say the least.
A refresh rate of 300Hz at 2048x1536x32bpp?
I'm sorry., but if it uses a 400MHz RAMDAC as they claim then that is not even theoretically possible, hell it just about quarupled the theoretical bandwidth capabilites of a 400MHz RAMDAC. Besides that, what in the hell kind of filters are these cards going to use to allow that kinda refresh rate even if the RAMDAC was capable of it?!
The interference from filters that powerful would be ridiculous.
Hmm, they claim it supports 64bit color, but only 32bit Z-Buffering? Seems like an extremely unusual decision to limit the z-buffering to 32bits if they allow a 64bit color depth.
The funniest thing I've seen this week though....
Look at what they list for the number of hardware accelerated lighting sources? 256!
All I have to say is BULLSHIT!
I don't even want to think about the complexity that would require. Christ, the WildCat II 5110 only accelerates 24, the FireGL4 which is an absolute wizard at calculating lighting support 16. And they are telling us a card intended for the CONSUMER market will accelerate 256??!!!
Not to mention I'd love to know what in the hell kinda scenes would have 256 simultaneous light sources, and I doubt they'd increase chip complexity unnecessarily.
I think it's 100% obvious beyond any possible doubt that they just picked numbers at random and paid no attention to what is possible, or what makes any sort of logical sense.
I'll give you one thing Gog... that page was just hilarious the claims they make
Their specs for minimum and maximum theoretical DRAM buffer is incorrect straight across the board.
A, but about their NV30 claims...
The listed maximum resolution seems extremely dubious to say the least.
A refresh rate of 300Hz at 2048x1536x32bpp?
I'm sorry., but if it uses a 400MHz RAMDAC as they claim then that is not even theoretically possible, hell it just about quarupled the theoretical bandwidth capabilites of a 400MHz RAMDAC. Besides that, what in the hell kind of filters are these cards going to use to allow that kinda refresh rate even if the RAMDAC was capable of it?!
The interference from filters that powerful would be ridiculous.
Hmm, they claim it supports 64bit color, but only 32bit Z-Buffering? Seems like an extremely unusual decision to limit the z-buffering to 32bits if they allow a 64bit color depth.
The funniest thing I've seen this week though....
Look at what they list for the number of hardware accelerated lighting sources? 256!
All I have to say is BULLSHIT!
I don't even want to think about the complexity that would require. Christ, the WildCat II 5110 only accelerates 24, the FireGL4 which is an absolute wizard at calculating lighting support 16. And they are telling us a card intended for the CONSUMER market will accelerate 256??!!!
Not to mention I'd love to know what in the hell kinda scenes would have 256 simultaneous light sources, and I doubt they'd increase chip complexity unnecessarily.
I think it's 100% obvious beyond any possible doubt that they just picked numbers at random and paid no attention to what is possible, or what makes any sort of logical sense.
I'll give you one thing Gog... that page was just hilarious the claims they make
I think it's funny that they stated that the GF cards have a 256 bit memory bus, while correctly showing the memory as being DDR, and they still didnt count that 256 mem bus into the total memory bandwidth of the cards.
Oh well fits in real nice along with the other BS I guess.
Oh well fits in real nice along with the other BS I guess.
Alright, I said these specs seemed wild to me. Besides piping in like a chorus line whose song goes 'BS, BS, BS,' do any of you guys have pertinant information?
I am also posting speculations and possible leaks, which is more than either you or the other lamer have contributed.
The hwzone article is old news, April of last year. It contributes that NV30 will contain influence from the Rampage design. The nVidia roadmap is such that this part should be released Spring02.
The thread on penstarsys from "Josh" who seems to know alot about 3dfx rampage is also whack since he insisted that NV25 will contain 3dfx technology. DaveBaumann (who used to work at 3dfx) even corrects him on this.
The spec (ulation) paqe from 3dgpu is a joke at best wrt nV30. Even The information on current chipsets is wrong or not included.
Thanks for calling us lamers. It's fun to speculate, but it's the exectution and delivery of technology which matters. After you've watched numerous product cycles from these companies turn from speculation to product, you become wary of threads like this which try to pronounce specifications prior to the hardware being tested, especially when the sources are questionable. The only data (which you have posted) that seems credible is that NV30 is expected to be the spring 02 part and this part had some developmental influence from 3dfx engineers. This was know from nVidia for almost a year now.
The hwzone article is old news, April of last year. It contributes that NV30 will contain influence from the Rampage design. The nVidia roadmap is such that this part should be released Spring02.
The thread on penstarsys from "Josh" who seems to know alot about 3dfx rampage is also whack since he insisted that NV25 will contain 3dfx technology. DaveBaumann (who used to work at 3dfx) even corrects him on this.
The spec (ulation) paqe from 3dgpu is a joke at best wrt nV30. Even The information on current chipsets is wrong or not included.
Thanks for calling us lamers. It's fun to speculate, but it's the exectution and delivery of technology which matters. After you've watched numerous product cycles from these companies turn from speculation to product, you become wary of threads like this which try to pronounce specifications prior to the hardware being tested, especially when the sources are questionable. The only data (which you have posted) that seems credible is that NV30 is expected to be the spring 02 part and this part had some developmental influence from 3dfx engineers. This was know from nVidia for almost a year now.
Like I said pertinant information has not been released yet.... heck we dont even know about every single GeForce4 detail yet....
I apoligize for being somewhat harsh, but I hate getting all these negative responses from you guys. Nobody is posting any interesting info which I am sure is out there...
<< The only data (which you have posted) that seems credible is that NV30 is expected to be the spring 02 part and this part had some developmental influence from 3dfx engineers. This was know from nVidia for almost a year now. >>
Isn't the GeForce4 NV25 based? Unless you use the term "spring" very loosely, I doubt NVidia would supersede the GF4 so fast. Think of it this way, even if NVidia sticks with their supposed 6-month product cycle schedule, that puts NV30 at the beginning of July.
As for the 3DGPU info... LMAO
-Ice
Isn't the GeForce4 NV25 based? Unless you use the term "spring" very loosely, I doubt NVidia would supersede the GF4 so fast.
Correct, I used it loosely.
Correct, I used it loosely.
BD231
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<<I apoligize for being somewhat harsh, but I hate getting all these negative responses from you guys. Nobody is posting any interesting info which I am sure is out there... >>
Bit*h Bit*h Bit*h, if its out there no one around here knows, so get over it and wait like the rest of us.
Bit*h Bit*h Bit*h, if its out there no one around here knows, so get over it and wait like the rest of us.
I'm still confused over this 64bit colour, why on earth is it even being designed? You can't see that many colours, no matter how many of you think you can see the difference between 80 and 120 fps.
Deeko
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<< Hey Dark4ng3l, considering that the development cycle of a video card is over a year, nVidia would be in deep crap if it wasn't working on the development of this card.
There is a lot of interesting info posted on the net on this subject, and if you are ignorant (as u happen to be) then u should keep your hands off your keyboard while browsing these forums. >>
Hey, Dark4ng3l has been posting here in video with us for a long time, he was here for the huge V5/GTS wars, were you? Oh wait, you weren't here more than 2 days, thats right....watch who your calling ignorant, his opinion is respected here, yours is not(yet anyway). And of course nvidia is developing it, that doesn't mean they know when its coming out.
<< According to it, the rampage was supposed to support 52 bit color >>
I could have told you that like back in 2000. 3dfx released it as a part of their online dictionary of 3d terms on their website back then.
<< According to it, the card was supposed to be out this spring... and it is the first card to implement 3dfx tech. >>
First part is blatently incorrect, second part supposedly is.
<< Besides piping in like a chorus line whose song goes 'BS, BS, BS,' do any of you guys have pertinant information? >>
Of course not, we don't have concrete info on NV25 yet, do you think nvidia wants to kill a product they haven't even officially released specs for yet?
<< nv 30 = rampage = BS? Is that right? >>
lol yea, rampage was gonna compete with NV20, the GF3....NV30 should contain 3dfx tech, but certainly won't be rampage.
<< I'm still confused over this 64bit colour, why on earth is it even being designed? You can't see that many colours, no matter how many of you think you can see the difference between 80 and 120 fps.
>>
A) Carmack wants it, and he gets what he wants
B) It has more to do with precision then displaying more colors for your eye to see.
bdog231, you worthless little t#rd. Keep your a$$hole of a mouth shut if you don't have anything useful to say... the forums aren't your junior high school stairway to fill with worthless words.
As for the rest of you, you have established some lame pecking order where just because some member has more posts than another, he or she can crap someones thread. This is pathetic on your part.
As for the rest of you, you have established some lame pecking order where just because some member has more posts than another, he or she can crap someones thread. This is pathetic on your part.
this whole thread is stupid, I don't care what you think you know, by the time its released the card could be totally different, that and nvidia never releases information on their cards before hand so who cares.
Deeko
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<< bdog231, you worthless little t#rd. Keep your a$$hole of a mouth shut if you don't have anything useful to say... the forums aren't your junior high school stairway to fill with worthless words.
As for the rest of you, you have established some lame pecking order where just because some member has more posts than another, he or she can crap someones thread. This is pathetic on your part. >>
Dude, if this isn't a jr high why are you slinging insults?
And I take it that second post is aimed at me....it has nothing to do with post count. It has to do with the fact that we know he has a knowledge of 3d cards, his opinion here is respected, you have shown us that you are a little twerp that gets pissed when someone disagrees with you. Whos side we gonna take?
As for the rest of you, you have established some lame pecking order where just because some member has more posts than another, he or she can crap someones thread. This is pathetic on your part.
No, not really a pecking order... good debate is one thing but wild speculation is silly. It just seems that those who have watched several generations of video solutions blossom from speculation to real product know that it comes down to how well the company executes. A couple of examples...
Savage2000 vs Geforce vs VSA100
The original Geforce specs were pale in comparison to dual VSA100's or even the Savage2000. nVidia executed and released the Geforce256 in Fall 99, and followed with the DDR version in late December, and then the Geforce2 GTS about 6 months later. Althought he S2K was released in December with hardware specifications to give the DDR Geforce a run, the software support was horrible and TnL was broken. Although 3dfx announced the Voodoo4 and 5 in the fall at Comdex, it wasn't until 3dfx finally releases the Voodoo4/5 series in the summer of 2000. The Voodoo5 (which was intended to compete with the Geforce256 DDR) was a good card but nVidia was gearing up for a refresh part while 3dfx was gearing up to go out of business.
My point? All three cards were "announced" about the same time and there was mad speculation as to which card would do what. It was all for naught, since it boiled down to who could release product with finished drivers on time.
So... R300, NV25, NV30, S3 Columbia, Kyro3, Bitboys XBA, Matrox G800.... let's just wait and see which company can pull the trigger.
No, not really a pecking order... good debate is one thing but wild speculation is silly. It just seems that those who have watched several generations of video solutions blossom from speculation to real product know that it comes down to how well the company executes. A couple of examples...
Savage2000 vs Geforce vs VSA100
The original Geforce specs were pale in comparison to dual VSA100's or even the Savage2000. nVidia executed and released the Geforce256 in Fall 99, and followed with the DDR version in late December, and then the Geforce2 GTS about 6 months later. Althought he S2K was released in December with hardware specifications to give the DDR Geforce a run, the software support was horrible and TnL was broken. Although 3dfx announced the Voodoo4 and 5 in the fall at Comdex, it wasn't until 3dfx finally releases the Voodoo4/5 series in the summer of 2000. The Voodoo5 (which was intended to compete with the Geforce256 DDR) was a good card but nVidia was gearing up for a refresh part while 3dfx was gearing up to go out of business.
My point? All three cards were "announced" about the same time and there was mad speculation as to which card would do what. It was all for naught, since it boiled down to who could release product with finished drivers on time.
So... R300, NV25, NV30, S3 Columbia, Kyro3, Bitboys XBA
, Matrox G800.... let's just wait and see which company can pull the trigger.Nobody knows, Nvidia probably doesnt know either, so stop asking things like this
Lighten up Francis!
Hey, Dark4ng3l has been posting here in video with us for a long time, he was here for the huge V5/GTS wars, were you? Oh wait, you weren't here more than 2 days, thats right....watch who your calling ignorant, his opinion is respected here,
hehe, he said respected.
It has to do with the fact that we know he has a knowledge of 3d cards, his opinion here is respected, you have shown us that you are a little twerp that gets pissed when someone disagrees with you.
Funny, I thought he was asking a simple question. Seems to me you guys are the ones who blew it way out of proportion.
Gog,
I wouldn't worry to much about these guys. Unfortunately it gets like this in here sometimes, but for the most part the people on this message board are very good about answering questions or discussing topics.
Lighten up Francis!
Hey, Dark4ng3l has been posting here in video with us for a long time, he was here for the huge V5/GTS wars, were you? Oh wait, you weren't here more than 2 days, thats right....watch who your calling ignorant, his opinion is respected here,
hehe, he said respected.
It has to do with the fact that we know he has a knowledge of 3d cards, his opinion here is respected, you have shown us that you are a little twerp that gets pissed when someone disagrees with you.
Funny, I thought he was asking a simple question. Seems to me you guys are the ones who blew it way out of proportion.
Gog,
I wouldn't worry to much about these guys. Unfortunately it gets like this in here sometimes, but for the most part the people on this message board are very good about answering questions or discussing topics.
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