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NSX Replacement due in 2009

996GT2

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http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...uture/articleId=120921

Pics (this is the ASC concept, which might give some clues as to what the NSX might look like without camouflage):
Front1
Front2

While NSX is still the name that's getting thrown around, Honda wants to distance this front-engine supercar from the midengine NSX with a new name that expresses this car's new mission as a grand tourer.

The car will sit on a brand-new platform and employ a new V10 engine. This we know because company CEO Takeo Fukui said so. Further probing suggests that the engine will displace 5.5 liters and generate upward of 550 horsepower, making it Japan's most powerful road-going car ever. ...Honda engineers have covered their bases by creating a fuel-efficient V10 engine that effectively shuts down five cylinders depending on the circumstances.

Employing a six-speed automated manual transmission (Getrag is strongly rumored as the supplier), the Honda V10 will also incorporate a revised version of the company's new SH-AWD four-wheel-drive technology first seen on the Acura RL. But unlike the Acura sedan, the rear-drive V10 coupe will employ the SH-AWD unit up front, ensuring that all of the horsepower is efficiently transferred to the road.

Expected to have a top speed of over 200 mph and the ability to sprint to 60 mph in about 3.5 seconds, the NSX successor will undergo rigorous testing in Japan and at the Nürburgring, and we'll see a restyled concept at the Tokyo Motor Show in October.

Estimated price range: $150000...that's well into Porsche, Ferrari, and Lamborghini territory

Personally I think they've done a pretty good job at disguising it as an S2K during testing 😀

I'm not sure how the decision to transform the NSX into a AWD GT will fare in terms of sales. The cars in that price range carry a lot of prestige and heritage, and most of them aren't using the traditional front-engined layouts (except Bentley, Aston, etc). I would have much preferred to see another MR NSX with the newer engine (kind of like an extreme version of the NSX-R that could keep up with Turbo Porsches around the track despite only having 280 HP), as this GT most likely will not measure up to the performance standards of cars like the new Porsche GT2 that's due out later this year. It's not designed to be a pure track car, of course, but prestige, performance, and "street cred" is a selling point for cars in this price range. Acura certainly doesn't have much prestige as far as exotic cars are concerned, so they will have to make up for it elsewhere in order for this car to be a success.
 
Originally posted by: 996GT2
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Pics without camouflage:
Front1
Front2
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That's the Honda HSC concept, which is not necessarily what the NSX successor will look like, although I wouldn't be surprised to see similarities or derivative design cues.
 
Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
umm, the pics you linked to certainly don't look like there's a 5.5L V10 in the front.

Considering the big hump and the much higher hood lines I would sayit is more than likely t here is a V10 in there. The hood is very long and an S2000 took 4 inline longitudinally with ease, 1 extra pot isn't going to be a packaging nitemare, especially on a mule. Width is not going to be an issue as this mule is only 'looking' like an S2000, when in reality it is nothing or the sort.
 
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
umm, the pics you linked to certainly don't look like there's a 5.5L V10 in the front.

Considering the big hump and the much higher hood lines I would sayit is more than likely t here is a V10 in there. The hood is very long and an S2000 took 4 inline longitudinally with ease, 1 extra pot isn't going to be a packaging nitemare, especially on a mule. Width is not going to be an issue as this mule is only 'looking' like an S2000, when in reality it is nothing or the sort.

i think he was talking about the A/HSC pics, which is obviously a mid-engined car.
 
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point? Z06 with no torque 😀
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: ayabe
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point? Z06 with no torque 😀

Reference: C6 Z06 400/400 (430/424 '08)

M5 507/383
F360 395/275
F430 490/343

Looking at the above I'd say it would be in good company. 😀
 
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: ayabe
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point? Z06 with no torque 😀

Reference: C6 Z06 400/400 (430/424 '08)

M5 507/383
F360 395/275
F430 490/343

Looking at the above I'd say it would be in good company. 😀

roflcopters and lollerskates, batman. the 400/400 is the LS2, found in the BASE C6 corvette. 430/424 is the LS3, BASE '08 corvette.

the C6 Z06 is 505/475. yeah, it doesn't have much company now, does it? 😛
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: ayabe
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point? Z06 with no torque 😀

Reference: C6 Z06 400/400 (430/424 '08)

M5 507/383
F360 395/275
F430 490/343

Looking at the above(the euro cars) I'd say it (the new 'NSX') would be in good company. 😀

roflcopters and lollerskates, batman. the 400/400 is the LS2, found in the BASE C6 corvette. 430/424 is the LS3, BASE '08 corvette.

the C6 Z06 is 505/475. yeah, it doesn't have much company now, does it? 😛

OK, I got the wrong numbers (direct from Wiki...), but you missed my point. I have added clarity for you.
 
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: ayabe
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point? Z06 with no torque 😀

Reference: C6 Z06 400/400 (430/424 '08)

M5 507/383
F360 395/275
F430 490/343

Looking at the above(the euro cars) I'd say it (the new 'NSX') would be in good company. 😀

roflcopters and lollerskates, batman. the 400/400 is the LS2, found in the BASE C6 corvette. 430/424 is the LS3, BASE '08 corvette.

the C6 Z06 is 505/475. yeah, it doesn't have much company now, does it? 😛

OK, I got the wrong numbers (direct from Wiki...), but you missed my point. I have added clarity for you.

just remember that the M5 is a sedan, while the rest of those are exotic sports cars 😉

btw, the new Audi RS6 is *rumored* to have 610hp :Q my guess is at least 550 to beat out the M5. damn that thing will be a beast.
 
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: ayabe
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point? Z06 with no torque 😀

Reference: C6 Z06 400/400 (430/424 '08)

M5 507/383
F360 395/275
F430 490/343

Looking at the above(the euro cars) I'd say it (the new 'NSX') would be in good company. 😀

roflcopters and lollerskates, batman. the 400/400 is the LS2, found in the BASE C6 corvette. 430/424 is the LS3, BASE '08 corvette.

the C6 Z06 is 505/475. yeah, it doesn't have much company now, does it? 😛

OK, I got the wrong numbers (direct from Wiki...), but you missed my point. I have added clarity for you.

just remember that the M5 is a sedan, while the rest of those are exotic sports cars 😉

btw, the new Audi RS6 is *rumored* to have 610hp :Q my guess is at least 550 to beat out the M5. damn that thing will be a beast.

I'm simply making a comment about the engine dynamics. The body is irrelevant to the amount of torque produced. It was easier for others to read if I list applications rather than 'BMW S65'.
 
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: ayabe
I agree with the sentiments of the OP, Acura is not a Ferrari and I just don't see many people in this market dropping 150K on a Japanese car regardless of its merits. When you are spending that much performance isn't necessarily 100% of the decision as you can get a car that performs almost as well or better for a lot less money, Z06 etc.

Honda would sell a lot more of these if they were around ~100K.

My thoughts exactly. What's the point? Z06 with no torque 😀

Reference: C6 Z06 400/400 (430/424 '08)

M5 507/383
F360 395/275
F430 490/343

Looking at the above(the euro cars) I'd say it (the new 'NSX') would be in good company. 😀

roflcopters and lollerskates, batman. the 400/400 is the LS2, found in the BASE C6 corvette. 430/424 is the LS3, BASE '08 corvette.

the C6 Z06 is 505/475. yeah, it doesn't have much company now, does it? 😛

OK, I got the wrong numbers (direct from Wiki...), but you missed my point. I have added clarity for you.

just remember that the M5 is a sedan, while the rest of those are exotic sports cars 😉

btw, the new Audi RS6 is *rumored* to have 610hp :Q my guess is at least 550 to beat out the M5. damn that thing will be a beast.

I'm simply making a comment about the engine dynamics. The body is irrelevant to the amount of torque produced. It was easier for others to read if I list applications rather than 'BMW S85'.

Fixed. At least that's what I think you meant. S65 is in M3.
 
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