*NSFW*friend finds a body badly beaten on the side of the road

[Squisher]

Well, you could at least comfort the guy by telling him you're too scared of phone calls and questions to save his life.

I wonder why they give out the First Aid merit badge in Boy Scouts? Shouldn't it be the Ignore and Hope for the Best merit badge?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Well, when you have to miss work, have sleazy lawyers trying to trap you in questioning, and generally are made to feel like shit over it, yes I will skip it.

Ask ANY first responder who is worth anything about stopping to help people with serious injury. You can do more harm than good. If you are not trained you could do the totally wrong thing.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Two things. If you are not trained don't touch them. You don't have any idea whether that person has a contagious illness either. Second, a lot of people refuse to help because of the hassle they get. If your name appears on some report then expect people visiting your house to ask you questions, you might have to go give a deposition and then have some lawyer try to call you a liar or whatever. It's almost not worth it because of that.

I know some people who were witnesses to an accident. Clearly there were no seatbelts used and people were ejected. They stopped to help if they could. After which the people involved in the accident tried to sue the car manufacturer for faulty seatbelts. So they had my friends go and give a statement and they had to relive the thought of kids being thrown out of an SUV and rolling like a rag doll on the street. Then they were looked at by one lawyer like they were liars when they explained that the rear seats were folded flat so it would be impossible to be in a seatbelt.

So knowing you have to go through all this just for being there as a witness...I want nothing to do with it and mind my own business.

The mind of the enemy folks!

And they wonder why I advocate nuclear war with 4-Chan!

 

[cmdrdredd]

The mind of the enemy folks!

And they wonder why I advocate nuclear war with 4-Chan!

So because I hate dealing with ridiculous bullshit when I help someone and would rather just let someone else handle it I'm the enemy?

Until you have to deal with that crap, you cannot say a thing.

I'd like to stop and help if I saw someone in trouble but honestly, knowing the hassle you may go through for doing what is considered by most people to be the right thing or a good thing...I may think twice on some occasions. Now before you say I'm an asshole...understand that I had a situation in which I saved someone's life. I am a CCW holder and I used my rights to save someone's life. After which the sheer amount of crap you're put through is ridiculous and no shots were fired.

 

[WelshBloke]

Why the fuck did they send a fire truck?

 

[olds]

I am trained in first aid (including CPR) and I taught first aid. The most I might do for a stranger is open the airway and maybe try to stop bleeding. But since I would have no gloves or CPR mask with me, it would likely depend on what they look like.
Friend/family, sure.
Stranger with tats or is dirty, nope.

Once was at a car wreck and the driver stopped breathing. He had dirty long hair, a dirty beard, dirty clothes and his feet were filthy because he wasn't wearing shoes. He kept trying to breathe and then would stop. He did this about 3 or 4 times. I wasn't going to touch him but I tried to comfort him (don't know if he could hear me as he was unconscious) till the ambulance got there. He had a broken neck and died.
I felt guilty for a while but he wouldn't have made it even if I had tried.

 

[olds]

Why the fuck did they send a fire truck?

Lots of firemen are at least EMTs.

 

[gorcorps]

Why the fuck did they send a fire truck?

Fire trucks are usually one of the first things to respond in the US depending on city cize. They will always have people on board with proper EMT and medical training that can stabilize until an ambulance gets there if needed. There's usually more fire stations and fire trucks around than free ambulances, so it's usually quicker to get EMT service from a fire truck than an ambulance. Some cities don't even have government ambulances and only private ones.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Some of you guys share some pretty fucked up views. No amount of possible "hassle" would stop me from saving another persons life.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

So because I hate dealing with ridiculous bullshit when I help someone and would rather just let someone else handle it I'm the enemy?

You are the enemy of humanity: a loveless twerp who only has computer games and hate to stimulate his dead dead mind.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

I am trained in first aid (including CPR) and I taught first aid. The most I might do for a stranger is open the airway and maybe try to stop bleeding. But since I would have no gloves or CPR mask with me, it would likely depend on what they look like.
Friend/family, sure.
Stranger with tats or is dirty, nope.

Once was at a car wreck and the driver stopped breathing. He had dirty long hair, a dirty beard, dirty clothes and his feet were filthy because he wasn't wearing shoes. He kept trying to breathe and then would stop. He did this about 3 or 4 times. I wasn't going to touch him but I tried to comfort him (don't know if he could hear me as he was unconscious) till the ambulance got there. He had a broken neck and died.
I felt guilty for a while but he wouldn't have made it even if I had tried.

Yup I only do cpr on hot blondes with c cup or greater. Fuck those dirty hippies.

 

[911paramedic]

Reading the responses in this thread make me weep for humanity.

 

[xanis]

Why the fuck did they send a fire truck?

A lot of firemen are also EMTs, or have EMT training. Ambulance squads are also grouped with fire departments in some places; in Philadelphia, for example, the EMS is part of the fire department.

 

[Number1]

I am trained in first aid (including CPR) and I taught first aid. The most I might do for a stranger is open the airway and maybe try to stop bleeding. But since I would have no gloves or CPR mask with me, it would likely depend on what they look like.
Friend/family, sure.
Stranger with tats or is dirty, nope.

Once was at a car wreck and the driver stopped breathing. He had dirty long hair, a dirty beard, dirty clothes and his feet were filthy because he wasn't wearing shoes. He kept trying to breathe and then would stop. He did this about 3 or 4 times. I wasn't going to touch him but I tried to comfort him (don't know if he could hear me as he was unconscious) till the ambulance got there. He had a broken neck and died.
I felt guilty for a while but he wouldn't have made it even if I had tried.

What makes a dirty person unworthy of being helped? And what about people with tats? Are they more likely to be contaminated or contagious?

And how do you know the person would have died anyway? Many many neck fractures are survivable, provided they receive proper first aid. Ask Christopher Reeves.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

What makes a dirty person unworthy of being helped? And what about people with tats? Are they more likely to be contaminated or contagious?

And how do you know the person would have died anyway? Many many neck fractures are survivable, provided they receive proper first aid. Ask Christopher Reeves.

Reeves died bro

 

[Number1]

Reeves died bro

He was injures in 1995 and died in 2004, 9 years after the accident. so right, you can't ask him anything anymore but he did survive because he received proper first aid.

 

[Jeff7]

*NSFW*friend finds a body badly beaten on the side of the road

Ouch, that sucks.

Are you going to post pics of the guy?

 

[olds]

What makes a dirty person unworthy of being helped? And what about people with tats? Are they more likely to be contaminated or contagious?

And how do you know the person would have died anyway? Many many neck fractures are survivable, provided they receive proper first aid. Ask Christopher Reeves.

If a person has excessive tats, they have already said: "Fuck the world. I am an individual and I live outside the norms." That's fine. But it's not where I am at so go ahead and take care of yourself. Plus, they might have the hep.

If they are dirty or as in the case I am talking about, disgustingly filthy and obviously living that way, plan to take care of yourself. I am not catching fleas or AIDS for you.

But as I said, that's if I have no gloves or barrier airway. If I had the proper protection/equipment, I may help. In those days we didn't carry it.

The paramedics that showed up at the scene told me he wouldn't have made it in any case. I still went home sick that day (this was at work) because I was torn up about it. But I'd still make the same decision today. And thankfully, over the last 20 years, at dozens of accidents, I have never had to.

And it's funny, I always wanted to be a paramedic. Till I saw what a drunk dad did to his daughter while driving. Then I just wanted to rip that guy apart. I knew right then and there that I wasn't suited to that job.

 

[skyking]

I witnessed a violent crash and helped the old man till the paramedics arrived, but I have not had to do CPR for real.
It was a really bizarre wreck. Maybe he had a stroke, maybe it was the sun in his eyes. I'm right behind him on a country road, and he departs the road to the right on a gentle left turn onto this graveled area by the road. A huge boulder had recently fallen from the cliff to our left. The county road crew had pushed the rock off the road at least 30 feet from the fog line, but it was way too big to load up.
He strikes the boulder directly at 35 MPH! It was maybe 5 feet high and 7 wide and at least as long, and the Ford Fairmont moved it about a foot. The crash was so direct and violent, the back of the car flies up, and it bends in an upward vee shape with a fold mark right across the roof between the front and back doors.
Oddly enough the door glass does not break, and none of the doors would open so I had to bash my way into the back seat with my car jack. I crawled in and started to give first aid to the guy. He was still breathing, so I cleared his airway and not long after help arrived. He did not make it though, poor guy.

 

[Ichinisan]

I witnessed a violent crash and helped the old man till the paramedics arrived, but I have not had to do CPR for real.
It was a really bizarre wreck. Maybe he had a stroke, maybe it was the sun in his eyes. I'm right behind him on a country road, and he departs the road to the right on a gentle left turn onto this graveled area by the road. A huge boulder had recently fallen from the cliff to our left. The county road crew had pushed the rock off the road at least 30 feet from the fog line, but it was way too big to load up.
He strikes the boulder directly at 35 MPH! It was maybe 5 feet high and 7 wide and at least as long, and the Ford Fairmont moved it about a foot. The crash was so direct and violent, the back of the car flies up, and it bends in an upward vee shape with a fold mark right across the roof between the front and back doors.
Oddly enough the door glass does not break, and none of the doors would open so I had to bash my way into the back seat with my car jack. I crawled in and started to give first aid to the guy. He was still breathing, so I cleared his airway and not long after help arrived. He did not make it though, poor guy.

Wow. That would probably bother me for a long time.

 

[DCal430]

So because I hate dealing with ridiculous bullshit when I help someone and would rather just let someone else handle it I'm the enemy?

Until you have to deal with that crap, you cannot say a thing.

I'd like to stop and help if I saw someone in trouble but honestly, knowing the hassle you may go through for doing what is considered by most people to be the right thing or a good thing...I may think twice on some occasions. Now before you say I'm an asshole...understand that I had a situation in which I saved someone's life. I am a CCW holder and I used my rights to save someone's life. After which the sheer amount of crap you're put through is ridiculous and no shots were fired.

Sounds like to me you would have done the exact same thing as the other people who ignored a 2 year old that was ran over. Sad really, that you find your inconvience more valuable than someones life.

 

[Powermoloch]

As long help was done at a prudent matter, the good samaritan law got your back :thumbsup:

 

[Angry Irishman]

Sounds like to me you would have done the exact same thing as the other people who ignored a 2 year old that was ran over. Sad really, that you find your inconvience more valuable than someones life.

This X 100,000,000,000,000

Its all about ME, ME and ME. Meanwhile some poor guy dies on the side of the road because it could potentially be inconvenient....wow.

 

[sourceninja]

I am trained in first aid (including CPR) and I taught first aid. The most I might do for a stranger is open the airway and maybe try to stop bleeding. But since I would have no gloves or CPR mask with me, it would likely depend on what they look like.
Friend/family, sure.
Stranger with tats or is dirty, nope.

Once was at a car wreck and the driver stopped breathing. He had dirty long hair, a dirty beard, dirty clothes and his feet were filthy because he wasn't wearing shoes. He kept trying to breathe and then would stop. He did this about 3 or 4 times. I wasn't going to touch him but I tried to comfort him (don't know if he could hear me as he was unconscious) till the ambulance got there. He had a broken neck and died.
I felt guilty for a while but he wouldn't have made it even if I had tried.

The best part is, now CPR just includes opening the airway and chest compressions, no need to kiss the dirty hippy.

 

[WelshBloke]

Lots of firemen are at least EMTs.

Fire trucks are usually one of the first things to respond in the US depending on city cize. They will always have people on board with proper EMT and medical training that can stabilize until an ambulance gets there if needed. There's usually more fire stations and fire trucks around than free ambulances, so it's usually quicker to get EMT service from a fire truck than an ambulance. Some cities don't even have government ambulances and only private ones.

A lot of firemen are also EMTs, or have EMT training. Ambulance squads are also grouped with fire departments in some places; in Philadelphia, for example, the EMS is part of the fire department.

Lol, I guess its pretty normal over there then.

What sort of fire truck are we talking about?

One of these?

Because that seems an awful waste.

OP also said

He said no officers showed up, only a paramedic, fire truck, and ambulance

I was just confused about why they would send a fire truck and an ambulance, admittedly the guy looked a bit in need of a hose down but it still seems a waste of resources. It costs quite a lot to send out a fully manned fire truck and its is also going to be out of action till the ambulance arrives.