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bradley

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Here's some more good reading for you.

http://www.informationweek.com/security/privacy/nsa-surveillance-can-penetrate-vpns/240159261
NSA Surveillance Can Penetrate VPNs
Thomas Claburn | August 01, 2013 09:14 AM

The National Security Agency has a system that allows it to collect pretty much everything a user does on the Internet, according to a report published by The Guardian on Wednesday, apparently even when those activities are done under the presumed protection of a virtual private network (VPN).

The Guardian's information comes from whistleblower Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor now seeking asylum in Russia from U.S. authorities for revealing classified documents about the NSA's intelligence-gathering capabilities to the media. The news organization's report suggests that Snowden's claim that he could wiretap anyone from his desk, dismissed by U.S. lawmakers as false, was essentially accurate.

Described in a 2008 presentation, the system, called XKeyscore, can reportedly track email addresses, logins, phone numbers, IP addresses and online activities — files, email contents, Facebook chats, for example — and can cross-reference this information with other metadata.

Even after weeks of revelations about the scope and breadth of NSA data gathering, news that XKeyscore can penetrate VPNs comes as a something of a shock.

"This is huge: XKeyscore slides also suggest NSA regularly decrypts encrypted VPN traffic," said security researcher Ashkan Soltani via Twitter.

Read the rest here: http://www.informationweek.com/security/privacy/nsa-surveillance-can-penetrate-vpns/240159261
 
MomentsofSanity

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Fern said:
Yeah. Good point.

The whole "we've got it but we're not looking at it" is a bunch of BS.

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Did you even read the article or are you and the op just being deliberately obtuse?

But the police department in Suffolk County, N.Y., issued a statement later Thursday saying that the incident unfolded after detectives "received a tip from a Bay Shore computer company regarding suspicious computer searches conducted by a recently released employee" on the employee's workplace computer. The employee had searched the terms "pressure cooker bombs" and "backpacks," the statement said.
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Whole thread is dishonest. Thought there were rules about that.
 
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michal1980

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MomentsofSanity said:
Did you even read the article or are you and the op just being deliberately obtuse?



Whole thread is dishonest. Thought there were rules about that.
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Did you read the article?

"After searching a few rooms, the police reportedly shook Catalano's husband's hand and left. They assured him that they "do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing," Catalano wrote."


So a 100 times a week some computer place gives cops a tip?
 
MomentsofSanity

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michal1980 said:
Did you read the article?

"After searching a few rooms, the police reportedly shook Catalano's husband's hand and left. They assured him that they "do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing," Catalano wrote."


So a 100 times a week some computer place gives cops a tip?
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You're going to want a parachute making leaps like that...

Does any of that change that the article you posted in no way supports what you stated in your OP? No? Didn't think so. I guess you were lying on people's need to just believe.
 
Patranus

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God you people still don't get it.
None of the programs that have been 'outed' constitutes 'spying' as Americans are freely giving their information to corporations who are free do to with it whatever they want
 
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DCal430

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Please, only those who are a threat to society, and those who would bring chaos to the order of society, need to fear. Move along people.
 
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michal1980

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MomentsofSanity said:
You're going to want a parachute making leaps like that...

Does any of that change that the article you posted in no way supports what you stated in your OP? No? Didn't think so. I guess you were lying on people's need to just believe.
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It supports it. The government still went through this guys house because of search terms he used on the web.

because in this case it might not have been the NSA, that makes it OK in your world?
 
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dawp

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michal1980 said:
how am I owned?

The big picture story is still valid.

Guy searched for pressure cooker on google, got visit from the cops.

Do you pea brains agree with that?
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It wasn't the NSA that sent the cops there, it was an ex-employer who reported them. NSA had nothing to do with why the cops showed up.
 
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michal1980 said:
how am I owned?

The big picture story is still valid.

Guy searched for pressure cooker on google, got visit from the cops.

Do you pea brains agree with that?
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Guy searched "backpack" and "pressure cooker bombs" on his work computer while being terminated. His company (i.e. the entity that legally possesses and has control over the information regarding what happens on its machines/network) reported it to the cops.

If I break into Amazon's datacenter and start unplugging servers, having them report said activities occurring on their property is not the same thing as the cops spying on me and arresting me for having unplugged my old home PC, now is it?

And this had nothing to do with the NSA. You were owned.
 
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After searching a few rooms, the police reportedly shook Catalano's husband's hand and left. They assured him that they "do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing," Catalano wrote.
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I wonder if this is actually what was said, if so, did someone in the chain of command ever consider that they might be doing something slightly wrong?

"Someone's been kidnapped!"
"Let's interview everyone in every house in the neighbourhood!"
 
halik

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michal1980 said:
how am I owned?

The big picture story is still valid.

Guy searched for pressure cooker on google, got visit from the cops.

Do you pea brains agree with that?
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I really think you either can't read or are fucking retarded. The article has NOTHING to do with NSA.

Last weekend I had cops show up at my house because of party noise; clearly it was NSA microphones planted in my living room that prompted the visit, not my neighbors calling 911...

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momeNt

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This really is a divisive issue in America. The problem is the issue is not divisive between left and right.

It's divisive between Americans and the Government.

Thankfully, and I really mean this, Americans are too lazy to do anything about it. Votes won't change this level of systemic mistrust against Americans. A new president won't change the machine, the machine will change the President.

I do believe that Obama probably did want to allow Americans more transparency, but once his security advisers got a hold of him they were able to change his mind and prove that they were a necessity. I don't really see how another President will change that. Ron Paul was probably the only one who wouldn't be swayed, if anything he maybe would have allowed one extra submarine instead of the single submarine he believed could defend America. Rand Paul is wavering on drone use and he knows far less than the President, so he'd just become another puppet. All the left/right guys are either warmongers or believe the government has the best of intentions and won't abuse their powers.
 
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momeNt

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halik said:
I really think you either can't read or are fucking retarded. The article has NOTHING to do with NSA.

Last weekend I had cops show up at my house because of party noise; clearly it was NSA microphones planted in my living room that prompted the visit, not my neighbors calling 911...

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Something is not adding up. The woman claims that her husband was searching for backbacks, and the she was searching for pressure cookers. Yet the tip claimed that AN (singular) employee searched both pressure cookers and backpacks.

Sounds like the NSA gave the tip to the police department, disguising themselves as the employer.

Would you honestly not put it past them to anonymously tip off the police to make their presence as hidden as possible?
 
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halik

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momeNt said:
Something is not adding up. The woman claims that her husband was searching for backbacks, and the she was searching for pressure cookers. Yet the tip claimed that AN (singular) employee searched both pressure cookers and backpacks.

Sounds like the NSA gave the tip to the police department, disguising themselves as the employer.

Would you honestly not put it past them to anonymously tip off the police to make their presence as hidden as possible?
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Or the IT guys cleaning the ex-employees computer noticed the ex-employee was googling weird shit at work and called the cops... as per the story?

Sounds like the NSA gave the tip to the police department, disguising themselves as the employer.
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I take that as a confirmation you indeed are retarded.

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momeNt

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halik said:
Or the IT guys cleaning the ex-employees computer noticed the ex-employee was googling weird shit at work and called the cops... as per the story?


I take that as a confirmation you indeed are retarded.

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How did they know what the wife was searching?


Seriously? My idea is tinfoil hat retarded? I would hope that if the NSA program does exist (maybe it doesn't, Snowden may not have ever worked for the NSA and is a terrorist leaking fake docs to cause unrest) that they would be keyed in on pressure cooker searches of people who have recently been let go by a company. Combination of LinkedIn employment status update + pressure cooker + backpack = bombing your ex-employer's office.

If the NSA wasn't involved, then I don't believe the program exists. Or it is just completely incompetent.
 
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