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NRA in turmoil, gun manufacturers going bankrupt, Thanks Trump

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Commodus

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I am concerned this might fuel votes for Trump, but I love the approach -- it's basically the equivalent of busting Al Capone for tax evasion.

Everyone knows the NRA's real crimes revolve around bribing Republicans, preying on fear, and revelling in mass violence as a boost to business... but it's a lot easier to take the organization down using the corruption that tarnishes every inch of its operations.
 

HomerJS

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I am concerned this might fuel votes for Trump, but I love the approach -- it's basically the equivalent of busting Al Capone for tax evasion.

Everyone knows the NRA's real crimes revolve around bribing Republicans, preying on fear, and revelling in mass violence as a boost to business... but it's a lot easier to take the organization down using the corruption that tarnishes every inch of its operations.
Don't forget laundering Russian money
 

Ajay

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Waits for 2A protests
And this is the only item in the constitution that so many of Trump's party actually know. Oh, and freedum, though I doubt they know that is 1A.
 

MtnMan

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I'm a gun owner. It's much more than one gun, I won't say how many vs. having the government breaking my door down after my arsenal (which can be 3 or more).
I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, I have concealed carry permits, and I carry.

I am NOT a member of the NRA. They are as bad as Trump when it comes to talk is cheap, and most times diverges far from actual intent or actions. Those that I know that are proud card carrying NRA members, mostly also have a MAGA hat they wear to allow the sweat to dry out in their NRA hat.

NRA and Trump supporters seem to have one thing in common, they just listen to the rhetoric, and are oblivious to the actual intent or actions.
 

Commodus

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I'm a gun owner. It's much more than one gun, I won't say how many vs. having the government breaking my door down after my arsenal (which can be 3 or more).
I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, I have concealed carry permits, and I carry.

I am NOT a member of the NRA. They are as bad as Trump when it comes to talk is cheap, and most times diverges far from actual intent or actions. Those that I know that are proud card carrying NRA members, mostly also have a MAGA hat they wear to allow the sweat to dry out in their NRA hat.

NRA and Trump supporters seem to have one thing in common, they just listen to the rhetoric, and are oblivious to the actual intent or actions.
Part of the problem, as you've hinted at, is that many 2A supporters act as if the NRA is the only organization that can possibly represent gun owners in the US... and that's just not true. There are organizations that can advocate for the basic concept of gun ownership without scaremongering, threats, bribing politicians or exploiting tragedy for gun sales.

I'm reminded of Killer Mike from Run the Jewels. He's a gun advocate himself, but he's the polar opposite of the stereotypical NRA supporter -- he's looking at it in terms of protecting the Black community instead of playing pretend militia. While I may disagree about the need for guns, I'd much rather have sincere, compassionate people like him advocating for guns than the NRA's industry shills and Trump sycophants.
 

Ajay

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playing pretend militia
I'm convinced that the modern equivalent of a 'militia' is the National Guard and that changes the meaning of "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. "; and thus the rights of individuals should be subject to reasonable laws of regulation. However, the SC disagrees with me - so I'm SOL.
 

SMOGZINN

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I'm convinced that the modern equivalent of a 'militia' is the National Guard and that changes the meaning of "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. "; and thus the rights of individuals should be subject to reasonable laws of regulation. However, the SC disagrees with me - so I'm SOL.
For now. but in the long term the current reading of the 2A is quite frankly unsustainable. Our population density is always growing, and we are not becoming any more peaceful. Eventually we are going to have to revisit the 2A and come to a more reasonable interpretation of it, or scrap it altogether. Those with common sense are advocating for a reasonable discussion about ways we can regulate it now before it gets to the point that we have to simply ban firearms, the majority of the 2A people are not interested in that conversation. That will eventually lead to conflict. Eventually someone is going to do something so bad that we can no longer offer thoughts and prayers as a solution.
 

iRONic

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I'm reminded of Killer Mike from Run the Jewels. He's a gun advocate himself, but he's the polar opposite of the stereotypical NRA supporter -- he's looking at it in terms of protecting the Black community instead of playing pretend militia. While I may disagree about the need for guns, I'd much rather have sincere, compassionate people like him advocating for guns than the NRA's industry shills and Trump sycophants.
RTJ are awesome and Mikey is well-spoken and always prepared to speak intelligently.
 

Commodus

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RTJ are awesome and Mikey is well-spoken and always prepared to speak intelligently.
Exactly. Whatever his rationale, it comes from a position of careful thought and consideration for people beyond himself.
 
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Part of the problem, as you've hinted at, is that many 2A supporters act as if the NRA is the only organization that can possibly represent gun owners in the US... and that's just not true. There are organizations that can advocate for the basic concept of gun ownership without scaremongering, threats, bribing politicians or exploiting tragedy for gun sales.

I'm reminded of Killer Mike from Run the Jewels. He's a gun advocate himself, but he's the polar opposite of the stereotypical NRA supporter -- he's looking at it in terms of protecting the Black community instead of playing pretend militia. While I may disagree about the need for guns, I'd much rather have sincere, compassionate people like him advocating for guns than the NRA's industry shills and Trump sycophants.
Here you go

 
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pauldun170

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RTJ are awesome and Mikey is well-spoken and always prepared to speak intelligently.
RTJ4 is my new soundtrack on my hill rides (cycling)
Can't listen to it around the family because naughty words
 

Z15CAM

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American gun owners have long suspected CEO's of the NRA as being corrupt and lots of NRA members have switched to GOA.

This latest case has nothing to do with your 2nd amendment.

I'm Canadian.
 

soundforbjt

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American gun owners have long suspected CEO's of the NRA as being corrupt and lots of NRA members have switched to GOA.

This corruption has nothing to do with your 2nd amendment. I'm Canadian.
Try telling the folks at Fox News or any other right-wing outlet that.
 

Z15CAM

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The NRA is being labelled out as an American Greed Ponzie Syndicate - Whatever the out come will not affect your 2nd Amendment.

Don't think that Canadians don't know firearm rights. We will never give up our rights to own firearms either.

The only exception to me is: I see no need for your AR15 or your latest SBR's and 9mm folding arm brace pistols in civilian hands which are Prohibited in Canada and I agree.

There's a lot of Browning P35 Hi-Powers and Tokarevs in Canada (Russian SKS & Czeck VZ58's) Vs the your 45 1911 and AR 15. All hand guns are considered restricted in Canada which means we can't carry unless your job specifies (Cops, Land and Forest, Security Guards... etc); however, we can get conveying permits to transport restricted weapons to firing ranges from our home residences - Doesn't mean we can't fire restricted weapons on on own property providing the property is out of township and register the restricted firearm to that address.

It is sad we are not allowed to carry a pistol in the bush for self defense against Bears, Big Cats and mostly a Rogue Beaver which is the most dangerous animal in the north in my opinion. You can work around this by applying for a Trapper's license; however, you have to file for a trapping claim and report your workings every year on that trap line. If you don't trap say at least say one Rabbit a year and declare the trap line is not idealistic, then the RCMP can revoke your pistol carry permit in the bush stating: It's not profitable - For who - Them ;o(

Carrying a P35 or a T33 on your waist is a lot less cumbersome then having to lug a rifle around in the bush and more accessible then that Lee Enfeild Jungle Carbine or 30:30 leaning against tree 30 ft away when you need it.

Northern Canadians have an entirely different view of firearms then city dwellers.
 
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Z15CAM

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Nothing more then a crime investigation into looking into the NRA's books. Very similar as an attempt to investigate Donald Trump's Tax returns.
 

Z15CAM

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I recommend you FUCK them greedy bastards and concentrate on following our Scientist's and the WHO organization recommendations if you intent to survive. With Covid-19 you don't need guns to survive today.

Hey, don't get me wrong as our PM Justin Trudeau is not a Saint and has been called out laundering tax payers dollars to his family a few times; but not near on the scale American Politicians and Lobbyists are doing.

I'm NOT necessarily Liberal (Democrat) or Conservative (Republican) but have to boost Justin is younger and a hell of a lot smarter politician then either Trump or Biden.
 
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KMFJD

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Here's a thread detailing some of the alleged abuses

15/ From August 2014 to January 2020, @NRA paid LaPierre’s Travel Consultant more than **$13.5 million** In 2018, the NRA paid LaPierre’s Travel Consultant $2,630,531.71 In the first six months of 2019 alone, the NRA paid LaPierre’s Travel Consultant $1,007,597.80
 

Lanyap

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I am concerned this might fuel votes for Trump, but I love the approach -- it's basically the equivalent of busting Al Capone for tax evasion.

Everyone knows the NRA's real crimes revolve around bribing Republicans, preying on fear, and revelling in mass violence as a boost to business... but it's a lot easier to take the organization down using the corruption that tarnishes every inch of its operations.



IMO they should have waited until after the election so that this wouldn't trigger Trump's base.
 

Jhhnn

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IMO they should have waited until after the election so that this wouldn't trigger Trump's base.
They'll get their panties in a bunch over something, anyway. At least they're not going on about the wicked Anteefas.
 

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