Now you see TLC now you don't...Newegg

[kleinkinstein]

Has anyone noticed that Newegg pulled the very mention of TLC NAND in all their 840 listings today. Yesterday, TLC was plastered on each and every title and detailed description. But of course MLC is mentioned everywhere with the 840 Pro. Very coy, very gamey!

 

[VirtualLarry]

It doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[bradley]

Manufactures realize that buyers are getting smarter. The less TLC resembles inexpensive glorified adulterated USB thumb drives the better.

Though I wouldn't allow my personal data anywhere near the Samsung 840. I'll stick with the tried-and-true 830, M3 and M4.

 

[docp]

I absolutely agree with Bradley,
I wont trust any of this newer generation SSD and none at all on this intel 335 or samsung 840.
newegg is smartest of all and tries and does every known trick to mask information.
I dont trust them.

 

[Rvenger]

I am going to keep an eye on this thread...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm/page217

 

[rob.L]

Has anyone noticed that Newegg pulled the very mention of TLC NAND in all their 840 listings today. Yesterday, TLC was plastered on each and every title and detailed description. But of course MLC is mentioned everywhere with the 840 Pro. Very coy, very gamey!

I think thats pretty shady considering users may think that the 840 is just a slower version of the 840 Pro, meanwhile it uses totally different nand that isn't as reliable and doesn't last as long...

 

[blastingcap]

I am going to keep an eye on this thread...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm/page217

Wow the 830 finally died. ~7,500,000 GB writes isn't too shabby for a 256 GB drive.

 

[Hellhammer]

Manufactures realize that buyers are getting smarter. The less TLC resembles inexpensive glorified adulterated USB thumb drives the better.

Though I wouldn't allow my personal data anywhere near the Samsung 840. I'll stick with the tried-and-true 830, M3 and M4.

I absolutely agree with Bradley,
I wont trust any of this newer generation SSD and none at all on this intel 335 or samsung 840.
newegg is smartest of all and tries and does every known trick to mask information.
I dont trust them.

This is exactly the reason why they are doing that. When people see TLC, it's an immediate no-no. Somehow people think they still need 10,000 P/E cycles while in fact TLC is more than enough for the majority. No matter how many times I show that TLC SSDs will last for years, people still seem to think otherwise...

 

[jwilliams4200]

Wow the 830 finally died. ~7,500,000 GB writes isn't too shabby for a 256 GB drive.

Did you notice that he said it was only powered off for 10 minutes? I'd say a 10 minute data retention time is rather useless. So in reality, the SSD is not usable for as many writes as he did to it. If only we knew at what point the data retention dropped below, say one week (the absolute minimum I would be willing to risk). I guess it is a lot less than 7.5PB.

 

[Ao1]

^ Precisely. The Xtreme thread demonstrates two things. Contrary to the myth, an SSD does not revert to a read only mode once the P/E count has expired. It also shows that the theoretical P/E count can be significantly exceeded.
What is does not show is how data retention capability degrades once the theoretical P/E count has been exceeded. According to standards data retention should be 1 year after the theoretical P/E count has expired for client applications. (3 months for enterprise).
I have not been able to find any info that shows how data retention durations degrade in relation to the P/E count past the theoretical limit. Until that is known the ability to write past the theoretical P/E count should be tempered by the fact that data retention durations are unknown once this occurs.
As an aside I have an 830 that I wrote to until the theoretical P/E limit was reached. I then filled it with data and left it for three months in an unpowered state. When I powered it back on the data was intact. I have subsequently left it unpowered and will try again after 12 months are up. (Not that long to go now).