Now we know what Republicans will tolerate in exchange for a chance for power

yllus

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My first thought when I heard of the leaked audio of Mr. Trump and the fallout was, really, this is the last straw? Not the invective against Mexicans, or Muslims, or blacks? Not against promoting war crimes and for constitutionally illegal actions? I should have realized that all Republicans care for at this point is votes, and now that the white female vote is endangered, it's time to actually say something.

Salon - The Horror Is Everything the GOP Could Tolerate About Trump, and Why

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Republicans didn’t say anything because Trump wasn’t attacking Republicans. The ground didn’t shift for the GOP nominee until he did. His “grab them by the pussy” comments don’t just threaten his own bid at the White House; they threaten the whole Republican political apparatus. They undermine party enthusiasm. They give millions of Republican-voting women a reason to stay home. And what happens if they do? Suddenly, the House and Senate are at risk. Suddenly, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are leaders of a minority party.

But of course the GOP could tolerate his place at the top of the ticket so long as he restricted his threats to groups outside the party. President Trump, after all, would nominate their judges, sign their tax cuts, and affirm their plans to gut the social safety net. Ryan, the House speaker, said as much in his endorsement. “For me, it’s a question of how to move ahead on the ideas that I—and my House colleagues—have invested so much in through the years,” he wrote in June. “It’s not just a choice of two people, but of two visions for America. And House Republicans are helping shape that Republican vision by offering a bold policy agenda, by offering a better way ahead. Donald Trump can help us make it a reality.” For him and many Republicans, Trump’s frank advocacy of racial repression is a small price to pay for their expansive reversal of liberal social policy. It’s hardly even a price.

In fact, we now have a list of all the things the Republican will tolerate solely for the sake of the White House and a continued congressional majority. It’s a long list.

The Republican Party will tolerate racist condemnation of Mexican immigrants, and Latino Americans at large. It will tolerate the same racist condemnation of Muslims, even as both attacks feed an atmosphere of paranoia, distrust, and violence.

It will tolerate a policy platform that treats these groups—and Syrian refugees to the United States—as a dangerous fifth column. In Trump’s vision of America, Latino immigrants, when they aren’t “stealing jobs,” are the vector for crime and disorder, plunging towns and cities into lawlessness. It’s why Trump wants to root them out with a new “deportation force,” home by home, person by person. And it’s why he wants a wall on the Mexican border—a concrete prophylactic to keep those dark-skinned migrants from reaching our borders.

It will tolerate the same racist policies for Muslim Americans. In Trump’s world, Muslims are a “Trojan Horse,” a foreign intrusion that threatens American security. It’s why he wants to ban their entry to the country, why he wants new surveillance of Muslim communities, why he wants to reject refugees, and why he’s accused Muslim Americans of condoning terrorist violence. “They know what’s going on,” Trump saidafter a shooter killed 49 people at a nightclub in Orlando. “They know that he was bad. They knew the people in San Bernardino were bad. But you know what? They didn’t turn them in. And you know what? We had death, and destruction.”

The Republican Party and its leaders—Reince Priebus, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and hundreds of federal and state office holders—will tolerate attacks on veterans and prisoners of war. It will tolerate blatant racism toward a federal judge and a Gold Star family, whose son died fighting for this country. It will tolerate Trump’s call for war crimes (“take their oil”), his zeal for torture, and his support for renewed nuclear proliferation.

It will tolerate his rhetoric toward black Americans, treating them as helpless brutes leading disordered, degenerate lives. It will even tolerate his drive to make the Republican Party a more comfortable home for white nationalists, a vehicle for ethno-nationalism and herrenvolk democracy. Paul Ryan, praised for his principle and integrity, said nothing when Trump hired Steve Bannon to coordinate his campaign, despite Bannon’s ties to white nationalists through his website Breitbart. He said nothing when Trump promised to deport American citizens whose parents came to the country illegally, a violation of the 14th Amendment. And even when Ryan condemned Trump—as in the case of Trump’s attacks on Judge Gonzalo Curiel and the Khan family—he still backed him for president of the United States.

For more than a year, Trump has preached state repression of nonwhites. And for more than a year, Republican leaders have tip-toed around him, even praised him. They’ve defended him, rallied behind him, and touted him as the right man to lead the country. “Donald Trump is committed to cut taxes, curb spending, and get our national debt under control,” said Florida Sen. Marco Rubio in his video endorsement of Trump at the Republican National Convention in July. “Unlike Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump takes seriously the threats from Islamic radicals and is committed to rebuilding our military.” Rubio joined the recent chorus against Trump, even as he continues to back the real estate mogul’s bid for the White House.

There’s a logic here, and it’s not hard to see. When it comes to voting, it doesn’t matter to Republicans that Trump is anathema to nonwhites and religious minorities. Neither black Americans nor Latinos nor Muslim Americans are going to vote for the GOP in significant numbers, and the party as a result is unresponsive to those communities, if not openly contemptuous of their concerns. Few Republicans, for example, want to restore the Voting Rights Act, and even fewer have challenged the drive to restrict and disenfranchise voters. We can see this dynamic in real time.

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For all the press they attract, however, their condemnations don’t hide the facts of the matter. Those are still plain to see. For the last year, through Donald Trump, Republicans have shown what they can live with. And what they can live with is a nominee whose chief appeal is his overt, unapologetic racism, and whose plans would remake America into a whites-only country, with suspicion and hostility for those on the other side of the color divide.
 

Schmide

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It really is the totality of everything. Walking back now is too little too late. We will remember how long you stayed with this racist whiny little bitch. You can delete your tweets and posts and pretend your party is just about values but we will remember and it will haunt you for eternity.
 

michal1980

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Because dems are better.

Want the white house? You'll support a woman that attacks rape victims.
 

MongGrel

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Because dems are better.

Want the white house? You'll support a woman that attacks rape victims.

Derp.

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amdhunter

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I honestly don't think any normal woman gives a crap that Donald Trump said that 10 years ago. Only women in media who want to stir up negative news about Trump.

His supporters don't care and I find him more human now. I've heard worse in top 40 songs...
 

HamburgerBoy

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I honestly don't think any normal woman gives a crap that Donald Trump said that 10 years ago. Only women in media who want to stir up negative news about Trump.

His supporters don't care and I find him more human now. I've heard worse in top 40 songs...

What is normal about a person that is still undecided at this point in the election cycle? Those are the voters that matter if Trump wants to win.
 

MongGrel

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I honestly don't think any normal woman gives a crap that Donald Trump said that 10 years ago. Only women in media who want to stir up negative news about Trump.

His supporters don't care and I find him more human now. I've heard worse in top 40 songs...

More Derp.

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yllus

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What is normal about a person that is still undecided at this point in the election cycle? Those are the voters that matter if Trump wants to win.
Yeah I don't quite understand "undecideds". I assume most undecideds are going to vote Trump but don't want the backlash of saying as much. I honestly still consider him to have a very good chance at winning.
 

nickqt

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Trump is talking about white women here.

That line is not to be crossed.
 

MongGrel

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I honestly don't think any normal woman gives a crap that Donald Trump said that 10 years ago. Only women in media who want to stir up negative news about Trump.

His supporters don't care and I find him more human now. I've heard worse in top 40 songs...

I've seen you're wrong today at a real-estate class. We'll see in about a month.
 

trenchfoot

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Desperation brings out the best......and worst in people.

Apply that principle to the Repub Party proper and it pretty much explains their actions every time Trump opens his mouth, or when somebody digs up some really juicy, damaging thing he's said that exposes more and more of his wholesome character in candid fashion.

Rich, privileged and entitled to all that money can buy, coerce and corrupt, and more than willing to go there should the need arise....because it's his parent's gift to him to do just that.

A perfect kind of person to lead our nation, don't you think?

edit - If he wins, it will justify to him and every person like him that the way he (they) thinks and behaves is what America wants more of in the way of leaders of nations and businesses.
 

jackstar7

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All the assholes using the word "lewd" in regards to discussing sexual assault are demonstrating the very rape culture that they claim doesn't exist.

Trump has brought a spotlight to the worst parts of the character of so many Americans.

So we get Clinton. Not much will change, but maybe the GOP will have finally burned itself out so that it can be reborn as something with a hint of integrity.
 

ivwshane

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All the assholes using the word "lewd" in regards to discussing sexual assault are demonstrating the very rape culture that they claim doesn't exist.

Trump has brought a spotlight to the worst parts of the character of so many Americans.

So we get Clinton. Not much will change, but maybe the GOP will have finally burned itself out so that it can be reborn as something with a hint of integrity.

Oh the burning isn't over! Shit! Its just getting started. The new Republican party will make trump look like a saint by the time its actually dying.
 

jman19

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Yeah I don't quite understand "undecideds". I assume most undecideds are going to vote Trump but don't want the backlash of saying as much. I honestly still consider him to have a very good chance at winning.

Is very good above, below, or exactly average in this case?
 

Triloby

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Trump is talking about white women here.

That line is not to be crossed.

I do curiously wonder, would there even be any massive outrage if Trump talked about groping Black, Hispanic, or even Asian women?

Then again, Miss Venezuela wasn't exactly on Trump's list of women he would even want to sexually assault...
 

preCRT

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I honestly don't think any normal woman gives a crap that Donald Trump said that 10 years ago. Only women in media who want to stir up negative news about Trump.

His supporters don't care and I find him more human now. I've heard worse in top 40 songs...
You are as full of excrement as your repulsive buddy Trump. Hope you enjoy your hand because no woman will touch you.
 

DrDoug

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Regarding that Wisconsin Unity rally that Republicans held in Wisconsin on Saturday...

In a jarring illustration of the chaos now engulfing the Republican Party, supporters of Donald Trump clashed bitterly with GOP leaders at a rally here Saturday — booing elected officials, heckling Paul Ryan, and angrily demanding greater establishment support for their beleaguered presidential nominee.

Power struggles are ugly but I hope this gets uglier, they've earned it.
 

trenchfoot

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Raise a pup on incessant fear and hate and hate and fear and then be shockingly surprised and appalled when that now grown up dog turns on you and proceeds to tear you apart?

Geeez, who could have ever known that would happen.

Idiots up there in control of the GOP. Congrats.......I mean, my condolences....sort of.
 
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trenchfoot

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Regarding that Wisconsin Unity rally that Republicans held in Wisconsin on Saturday...



Power struggles are ugly but I hope this gets uglier, they've earned it.

More than likely it will get worse....a LOT worse.

However fascinating it is to watch a pack of wild dogs viciously turn on each other, it's pretty sad to see the carnage that's gets left behind after the melee is finally over.

America deserves better. But then again, it deserves what it allows to exist.
 

agent00f

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Because dems are better.

Want the white house? You'll support a woman that attacks rape victims.

Even better than the story itself are the trump base defense force, firing blindly and strafing women who might not even be all that political but now see they're mostly no better than the hardcore misogynist.

Just like the DNC national convention where the democrats brilliantly dragged up every sympathetic cause for the dummies to shit on and paint themselves into the basket.