MadRat
Lifer
- Oct 14, 1999
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Gas and diesel as fuels do not stink. People should be willing to pay $10/gallon if that is what it takes. Its the artificial price controls on the economy that is retarding the recovery from 35 years of manipulation that is coming back to haunt us. The U.S. was 95% self sufficient in the early 70's now to become less than 50% self sufficient today, all in the name of making things cheaper. You don't build an economy on cheap, you build it on a combination of labor, land, and capital. Manipulation of one facet in the big picture is a resulting perversion of the others. The founders of the Theory of Capitalism must be rolling over in their graves when they see modern America. It certainly is only a half-blood of a step brother's mailman's friend down the street's cousin's sister-in-law acquaintance's version of capitalism.
So you are telling us that all the 18 wheeler over the road trucks meet these stringent Diesel Standards? Somehow, I doubt that. . . . .
BeauJangles
Lifer
- Aug 26, 2001
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If I understand correctly (which I may not), diesel gas is less refined than regular gasoline. So why the hell is the price higher?
There are plenty of superior technologies available, but the government and the Megacorps don't like to be rushed. Here's an article from last year -
A guy from Kansas who dropped out of high school to work in his father's car
shop now makes his living proving wrong the best engineers in the auto
industry. He converts large vehicles (SUVs, muscle cars) to use hybrid
and/or bio-fuel engines, while doubling their horsepower at the same
time. He revamped a Hummer to get 60 miles per gallon and run on fast
good grease.
So much for the auto industry's idea that only smaller cars can be efficient.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/30/14161/066
There's a longer description of his work here, for those interested.
http://www.fastcompany.com/mag...motorhead-messiah.html
A guy from Kansas who dropped out of high school to work in his father's car
shop now makes his living proving wrong the best engineers in the auto
industry. He converts large vehicles (SUVs, muscle cars) to use hybrid
and/or bio-fuel engines, while doubling their horsepower at the same
time. He revamped a Hummer to get 60 miles per gallon and run on fast
good grease.
So much for the auto industry's idea that only smaller cars can be efficient.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/30/14161/066
There's a longer description of his work here, for those interested.
http://www.fastcompany.com/mag...motorhead-messiah.html
Current US laws exempt large trucks from emissions standards. No one has yet been willing to be the first to tell every large corporation in America that it needs to overhaul or replace its trucking fleet so I can breathe.
- Feb 23, 2005
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I suggest you do a little more research. Hydrogen is a good start, but its no where near as efficient as fossil fuel as a net fuel.
On problem is it is very difficult and costly to manufacture, process, store, and transport. Storage tanks require metel hydryde absorbers and/or a carbon absorber, which are VERY expensive. Its just plain inefficient. It also has a very low energy density compared to gasoline or dieself. This means it takes more fuel to deliver the same output of energy. Up to 4 times more. The first step in creating usuable hydrogen uses ALOT of electricy and water, most of which is generated by fossil fuel plants. Again, inefficient.
You may say to yourself "If research was put into this, we could find an answer to make it more efficient". Yes thats true, but production is what it is. Also, the glaring fact that hydrogen itself requires so mcu more volume to produce the same enrgy cant be fixed. It is what it is.
Im not saying hydrogen is a bad solution. Im simply pointing out we simply dont have the technology to make it even close as efficient as dino fuel. And it isnt because oil companies and the government are protecting it. It doesnt exist.
They may be exempt from them, however they are not exempt from needing to be made to run properly on ULSD, which means that they will also be using CJ-4 oils.
Also, it's all about mpg with the truckers, and when a rig is belching black smoke it's not getting the best mpg it could...meaning it's costing money.
Check out the brand new semi's going down the road...their exhaust is clear just like a cars. That's how it'll be going forward...
Chuck
- Feb 23, 2005
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Yeah those new rigs are pretty efficient. Many of them get better mileage on the highway than some consumer vehicles
Pretty cool.
As a European living in a largely diesel dominated country (when it comes to new cars) I can tell some facts from here:
- Diesel is usually less expensive than petrol in my country
- Diesel cars are taxed less, so the price difference between diesel cars and petrol cars are smal, if not in favor of the diesel
- Almost all new diesel cars have factory mounted particle filters, so particle emmission is virtually non existant (and there is no stink)
- The most modern diesels, like the new VW passat bluemotion 1.9 TDI has a fuel consumption of 45.2 miles/us gallon (combined) - 53.5 highway even if its a rather large car, and is popular here
Test drive of Blue motion - UK (Notice that UK gallons is larger than US gallons, 1 imerial gallon = 1.2 US gallons)
Gofl TDI blumotion
Regards
Jostein
- Diesel is usually less expensive than petrol in my country
- Diesel cars are taxed less, so the price difference between diesel cars and petrol cars are smal, if not in favor of the diesel
- Almost all new diesel cars have factory mounted particle filters, so particle emmission is virtually non existant (and there is no stink)
- The most modern diesels, like the new VW passat bluemotion 1.9 TDI has a fuel consumption of 45.2 miles/us gallon (combined) - 53.5 highway even if its a rather large car, and is popular here
Test drive of Blue motion - UK (Notice that UK gallons is larger than US gallons, 1 imerial gallon = 1.2 US gallons)
Gofl TDI blumotion
Regards
Jostein
I wonder if it's because gasoline demand is so high, that Big Oil is maxing out gasoline output at the expense of diesel output...then supply and demand kicks in and we have high prices because of lower supply.
What needs to happen is that Big Oil needs to big a nice new diesel refinery...
Chuck
1) What is the incentive of government to "solve problems"? If they solve the problem, they have no platform to run on.
2) What would be the effect of Diesel prices at it's current supply (or lack thereof) if car companies are able to sell these diesel cars.
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