Now the Mailman hates Kobe too

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Bryant Gets Irate Mail
Malone says he won't return to Lakers because of remarks made publicly and privately by star player. 'I want to be there but he doesn't want me there.'
By Mike Bresnahan
Times Staff Writer

December 8, 2004

Karl Malone, the second-leading scorer in NBA history, will not play for the Lakers if he decides to play again because he is infuriated by comments made publicly and privately to him by Kobe Bryant.

Malone had been favoring a return to the Lakers, but that was before Bryant's comments Monday in a radio interview that his Newport Beach neighbor would retire.

Bryant also said it was tough for teammates "to be looking over their shoulder, wondering if [Malone]'s going to come back and then everybody is going to disappear."

Despite playing only one season for the Lakers, Malone, 41, said Tuesday he had developed strong feelings for the organization and its fan base, but insisted he would never again play for the Lakers. He also turned down a consulting job that was offered to him in October by Laker owner Jerry Buss.

"As much love as I have for the organization and for its fans, when your star player doesn't want you there, I take hints easily," Malone told The Times. "I want to be there but he doesn't want me there.

"It's not about the Lakers, I love the Lakers. It's about your main guy saying he doesn't want me. I'm a big enough man to understand that, so I'm going to get on with my life, and I've got a great life."

Malone had maintained an interest in the franchise while recovering from off-season knee surgery. He had appeared at a training-camp practice and an exhibition game. More recently, he sat courtside for the Lakers' Nov. 23 game against the Milwaukee Bucks.

But Malone's agent, Dwight Manley, said the 14-time All-Star could not get past Bryant's comments to XTRA. Bryant also said that "it's not really fair to hold [Malone's situation] over the guys' heads that are here?. They are here giving me 110%?. I mean, you can't sit up here and speculate for the remainder of the season whether or not he is going to come back."

Said Manley: "Karl is furious and irate and said this is unacceptable, coupled with some personal comments Kobe made to Karl recently in private that have eliminated the Lakers from his choice, which is counter to what the owner, general manager and several stars on the team have been hoping for, as well as some of the fans. It's pretty obvious with what happened with Phil [Jackson], Shaq [O'Neal] and now Karl, there's a pattern of tearing people down. This was a clear statement."

Manley declined to disclose details of the private conversation between Bryant and Malone.

Manley and Laker General Manager Mitch Kupchak had dinner on Friday before the Lakers' game against Golden State, and progress had been made in discussing Malone's future with the team, Manley said.

"This is a pretty emotional, traumatic thing," he said. "We were really working toward doing a deal with the Lakers that was really moving in an off-court capacity and potential on-court capacity. All those discussions have stopped at Karl's direction."

Earlier Tuesday, before Malone spoke to The Times, the Lakers released a written statement from Kupchak.

"We are aware of the comments made today by Dwight Manley, and hope that they do not accurately reflect Karl Malone's feelings about returning to the Lakers," Kupchak said. "If so, it is unfortunate that he would make such a decision based on the reason given. Kobe Bryant's interview [Monday] on Mychal Thompson's radio show merely reflected his personal opinion that Karl would probably not return to play this season. Kobe did not at any time state that Karl was not returning, nor was Kobe speaking on behalf of the Lakers' management or organization."

Upon learning The Times had reached Malone, the Lakers declined to comment further.

Manley said the Bryant-Malone relationship "no longer exists" despite the fact they live six blocks from each other in a gated Newport Beach community.

Manley also said Malone had fully recovered from off-season surgery on his right knee and would decide next month whether to return to the NBA or retire. The leading candidate to sign Malone, if he chooses to play, is the San Antonio Spurs, who have the best record in the Western Conference.

The Lakers had courted Malone often since the day he declined to pick up a one-year option on his contract for this season. Malone acted as a liaison last season for Bryant and O'Neal, providing a voice of reason in the locker room and contributing 13.2 points and 8.7 rebounds.

Almost five months ago, Malone supported Bryant when he signed a seven-year, $136.4-million contract to stay with the Lakers.

"I'm so proud of Kobe," Malone said at the time. "The way this kid worked his butt off, he deserves it. He's proven himself. There's not a lot of guys who deserve the money they're making in this league. He's one who does."

When Malone arrived at Laker practice during training camp, he and Bryant embraced, and Bryant pretended to spar with Malone's son, Karl Jr. Malone, who has remained in peak shape, felt the bulked-up Bryant's biceps and they shared a private laugh.
It's about time Malone saw through Kobe's BS. He was the heart and soul of the Lakers last year. I hope he gets his ring with the Spurs and punches kobe in the nose with it.

Mark my words: the Lakers with Kobe will never, ever win another ring. I see them dumping him when the fans turn on him and he doesn't turn into the ticket-selling cash cow Buss was counting on.
 

HamSupLo

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Dunno what the big deal is, Kobe said he has a gut feeling that Malone's not coming back to the lakers, not like he said he didn't want him back or anything.
 

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I can see the Lakers winning another ring with Kobe. But, it will only happen once Kobe realizes that winning a ring is never a one man show. Now, whether Kobe ever figures that out....
 
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i dont know whats wrong with what Kobe said...i agree that malone has to make up his mind, what the hell is he waiting for? its almost 20 games into the season and he hasnt decided if he will come back or not wtf?
 

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Follow up

BILL PLASCHKE
Bryant's Laker Legacy Becoming a Shove Story
Bill Plaschke

December 8, 2004

Karl Malone answered the phone at his Arkansas ranch with a sigh.

It was late, he was tired, and he could explain.

Earlier Tuesday, he had read a transcription of Kobe Bryant's statements that essentially likened Malone's redwood of a comeback attempt to an irksome splinter.

Malone was so upset, he worked a stair climbing machine for an hour.

"At level 14," he said. "I mean, I was blindsided."

And now it is the Lakers who have been sucker-punched, losing their most credible locker room presence and strongest inside force for a most familiar reason.

Karl Malone says he will not be returning to the Lakers because of Kobe Bryant.

For those keeping score at home, the kid just won the alienation triple crown

"The bottom line is, Kobe Bryant doesn't want me to play for him, and it's his team," Malone said. "You've got to be wanted, and he doesn't want me there."

On the surface, Bryant's radio comments do not seem to warrant such strong reaction. But don't be fooled. This is about more than that.

Bryant's words represented only a final shove, with Malone speaking as if Bryant had been pushing him out the door for weeks.

"When I see that situation there, I would love to play with those young kids, are you kidding me?" Malone said. "But when your main player doesn't want you, I don't have time for all that."

There has been talk of how, unlike some teams that have phoned Malone every day, Bryant rarely spoke to Malone during his rehabilitation from knee surgery, even though they live only blocks apart.

When they did speak recently, according to agent Dwight Manley, their conversations were not pleasant.

Malone, an old-fashioned sort who refused to publicly criticize Bryant, is clearly not thrilled that Bryant speaks as if he is the team's player-coach, talking about his teammates "giving me 110%."

Also a sensitive sort, Malone undoubtedly wonders why Bryant has not publicly supported him the way Malone was often the only player who publicly supported Bryant amid the sexual assault allegations.

Their issues culminated, according to Malone, when he was read Bryant's statements on the "Loose Cannons" show on XTRA radio.

"He doesn't want me here, he made that known today, he told me through the press," Malone said.

Among other things, Bryant said of Malone, "I don't think he's coming back."

Malone says he feels great and could return soon, with the leading candidate now reportedly being the San Antonio Spurs.

Bryant also said of Malone's comeback, "It's not really fair to hold it over the guys' heads that are here?. It's kind of tough for them to be looking over their shoulder, wondering if he's going to come back."

Bryant sounds as if Malone were holding out instead of working out. He acts as if waiting for Malone wasn't worth the effort.

The truth is, when Malone is ready, Bryant should agree to carry him to Staples Center on his back, because Malone's presence is ? or was ? the only way these Lakers have a chance to make any noise in the playoffs.

"No disrespect to anyone, but this wasn't an equipment guy saying this," Malone said. "This was the player who you gave your franchise to. I can read between the lines."

The Lakers were quick to separate themselves from Bryant's comments, highly unusual for a family organization that unconditionally supports its players, but good for them.

"Kobe did not at any time state that Karl was not returning, nor was Kobe speaking on behalf of the Lakers management or organization," the statement read.

Too late. Too bad. In this instance, Malone is going to be as intractable as he is under the basket.

While some Bryant backers will be quick to call Malone a baby, anyone who hung around the Lakers last year knows that he was one of the few who was decidedly not a baby.

He ignored every little pain. He willingly faced every question. He publicly backed every teammate.

It was his first year on the team, but he was already its leader, and even owner Jerry Buss believes the Lakers would have won the championship if he didn't finish the season with an injury.

And about Bryant's feud with Shaquille O'Neal? Malone was the only one who didn't take sides, and still won't.

"I look at the whole scenario, and the whole thing could have been done differently, by everybody," he said.

He will, however, say one thing about the fallout.

"I don't want to throw daggers at anyone, but I would have quit my job before I traded Shaquille O'Neal," he said. "I would have been unemployed before I would trade him, and that's all I'll say."

When O'Neal left, it took him more than a week to officially thank the Laker fans.

Malone did it Tuesday without even being asked.

"I don't care about the money I made there, it was nothing compared to what the Laker fans gave me every time I walked off that court," he said. "I love them. I appreciate them. And I want every one of them to know it."

A third future Hall of Famer, a third farewell, these goodbyes getting as old as Kobe Bryant's act.
 

kalster

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what I found funny was kobe saying they are giving ME a 110% everynite, either he is running the show or he is lead to believe so
 

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Originally posted by: HamSupLo
Dunno what the big deal is, Kobe said he has a gut feeling that Malone's not coming back to the lakers, not like he said he didn't want him back or anything.

the big deal is that Malone was one of the only people who was a vocal supporter to Kobe, during his legal problems. also, supposedly Malone was a "big brother" type to Kobe last year.

then Kobe turns around and says Malone is being a distraction (Kobe seems to forget about his legal distractions last season).

also Kobe says the team is "giving ME 110%", basically implying that it's HIS team. while we all know that Kobe wields lots of influence with the Lakers, it's pretty arrogant for him to assume the role as his teammate's superior.
 

Rudee

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Originally posted by: djheater
oooohhhhh, I think I get it, Karl Malone's nicname is "mailman".. is that it?


I don't know either, as I hate basketball, but I think you're right.
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: Rudee
Originally posted by: djheater
oooohhhhh, I think I get it, Karl Malone's nicname is "mailman".. is that it?


I don't know either, as I hate basketball, but I think you're right.

yes, n00bs, Malone's nickname is the Mailman.

:)
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
i dont know whats wrong with what Kobe said...i agree that malone has to make up his mind, what the hell is he waiting for? its almost 20 games into the season and he hasnt decided if he will come back or not wtf?

Kobe of all people has no right to talk about being a distraction. Last season, he was constantly flying back and forth to Colorado for his trial. His teammates were constantly bombarded with questions about Kobe's legal problems. sometimes, Kobe would fly into L.A. right before the game started.

Kobe was MUCH more of a distraction than Malone ever was or will be.

i'm a Kobe fan on the court, but Kobe's out of line here, imo.
 

noto12ious

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haha. typical kobe bryant. a genuine POS who's spat in the face of the lakers since they day he arrived.
 

masterxfob

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i think this was just what malone was looking for. it's an excuse so that he can go play for the spurs which are an obvious favorite to win the title. as for kobe vs. shaq, FVCK SHAQ

FYI: every lakers fan hated malone back in the mid 90's, now everyone loves him more than kobe... what a horrible bunch of fans.
 

jdiddy

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God I'm a huge Lakers and Kobe fan but sometimes he's a numbskull. Seriously what free agent is ever going to want to play on the Lakers as long as KB8 is here.
 

Pocatello

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Karl Malone should had retired a couple of years ago, while he was still a great basketball player.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: masterxfob
i think this was just what malone was looking for. it's an excuse so that he can go play for the spurs which are an obvious favorite to win the title. as for kobe vs. shaq, FVCK SHAQ

FYI: every lakers fan hated malone back in the mid 90's, now everyone loves him more than kobe... what a horrible bunch of fans.


and phil jackson?
you must hate him too :)

blind laker fans are great.
 

boyRacer

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First of all BILL PLASCHKE is a tool... if you read the LA times you would know this guy is one fickle idiot... along with Adande.

Second, what Kobe said about Malone doesn't bother me, what bothers me is he makes it look like the team is working for him... that's just fine and dandy if they're actually winning but their record isn't exactly mind blowing.
 

amol

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I'm a Laker fan but I havn't really felt like watching them this year. . .

Ever since Shaq was traded . . . .. :/

I hope they win on Christmas Day