Now that Windows 10 is released... I feel like installing Linux Mint.

[Maximilian]

Panic averted... it has a clock

http://techau.com.au/windows-10-tech-preview-now-available-for-download/

Unless between now and release MS decides I don't need to know the time just like they decided I didnt need internet checkers in windows 8 😡

 

[bbhaag]

Sweet. We are happy you found out that windows has a clock. Now tell us more about these internet checkers.

 

[Skaendo]

My sig doesn't have a linux distro listed either so what's your point? Your join date and posting history is awfully peculiar Skaendo.

He is claiming that Mint & Unbuntu are Nice Casual distros with no indication that he even uses them.

*Which they may be, but people tend to have issues with these forks while Debian (what they are forked from) will run better on the same system without the issues that these have.

 

[bbhaag]

uh oh. no way!
You mean people claim to use an OS when they really don't? Crap!

 

[Skaendo]

Your join date and posting history is awfully peculiar Skaendo.

Maybe, but my first thread is the most commented on, and in the top 3 viewed. (In OSs)
I haven't seen a post in any thread from you that has actually contributed to any conversation in a constructive manner. Stop trolling the forum, and thread crapping.

 

[bbhaag]

Now lets see how long you stick around. noobs like you come and go. Once the win10 hype dies down you won't stay.

Now tell me more about these casual distros.

Please stick to the topic at hand and not the people in it
-ViRGE

 

[Skaendo]

LoL, I wont even try Windows 10 until it is released officially. (because of their Privacy Statement for Windows Technical Preview) Even then I have a Windows system that I'll try it on, and if it resembles Windows 8 with the metro apps and Xbox stuff I will probably dump it and reinstall Windows 7. Just from what I've seen here about it, I don't think I'm going to like it.

As for Mint and Ubuntu, I've tried them out, and I've hit the same roadblocks that most other people have. Thus I stay with Debian for my daily driver because it don't have those issues.

 

[bbhaag]

nvm

 

[Maximilian]

Sweet. We are happy you found out that windows has a clock. Now tell us more about these internet checkers.

Posted that in the wrong thread 😳

 

[ControlD]

*Which they may be, but people tend to have issues with these forks while Debian (what they are forked from) will run better on the same system without the issues that these have.

I'm not sure I can fully agree with that assesment. I have been running Debian for a few days now and honestly while it did do a better job configuring my sound and video hardware, it has been much, much worse in terms of stability.

Perhaps it is because Debian (stable) is running an older Linux kernel than Mint or Ubuntu, but support for fourth generation Intel Core hardware (Haswell) seems to be quite poor. I often have to reboot my system between five and ten times to get a successful boot. CPU timeout errors, missing IPV6, etc. all result in a stalled boot. These issues do not occur with those "casual" distros people seem to like so much.

I also would never suggest Debian as a first forray into Linux. There is just too much that needs tweaked after the initial install. I mean, you can't even install .deb packages from the file manager without installing extra software! If converting WIndows users is a goal (which I don't think it is for Debian at least) then easy software installation, like that Windows offers, would seem to be a consideration.

I generally give every new OS install a month to see how it shakes out, but I'm getting rid of Debain today and going back to something that can at least boot consistenly.

 

[Skaendo]

Perhaps it is because Debian (stable) is running an older Linux kernel than Mint or Ubuntu, but support for fourth generation Intel Core hardware (Haswell) seems to be quite poor. I often have to reboot my system between five and ten times to get a successful boot. CPU timeout errors, missing IPV6, etc. all result in a stalled boot. These issues do not occur with those "casual" distros people seem to like so much.

Before you get rid of Debian try updating your repos to testing. It's worth a shot.

deb [URL]http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian[/URL] testing main contrib non-free
deb-src [URL]http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian[/URL] testing main contrib non-free

deb [URL]http://ftp.debian.org/debian/[/URL] jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src [URL]http://ftp.debian.org/debian/[/URL] jessie-updates main contrib non-free

deb [URL]http://security.debian.org/[/URL] jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src [URL]http://security.debian.org/[/URL] jessie/updates main contrib non-free

then from term:
$ su
$ apt-get update
$ apt-get upgrade

 

[postmortemIA]

Sorry for not updating my sig to show the Linux flavor of the month I am running in multi boot setups!
The Linux evangelist is also staying true to The Cause by throwing in command line stuff left and right.

 

[Skaendo]

Sorry for not updating my sig to show the Linux flavor of the month I am running in multi boot setups!
The Linux evangelist is also staying true to The Cause by throwing in command line stuff left and right.

Or you can add repos in Synaptic, or aptitude, then update & upgrade....
Just for the people that need a GUI or else they cant figure it out.

 

[Mem]

Regarding Linux Distros it's always going to be a personal preference thing on what you think is the best,I've tried PCLinux,OpenSUSE,Debian,Ubuntu,Kubuntu,Linux Mint,Zorin off the top of my head,Mint and the other Ubuntu distros are popular for a reason,great support in forums and in my experience seem to be just install and off you go.


I wonder how long before Linux starts going more like Win10 and trying to make a complete hybrid OS in one package,yes I'm aware of Ubuntu for tablets and touch screen etc...

Personally I think Linux will stay away from a Win10 type hybrid OS for quite a while.

Ten of the most popular Linux distros,
http://www.howtogeek.com/191207/10-of-the-most-popular-linux-distributions-compared/

 

[Skaendo]

I wonder how long before Linux starts going more like Win10 and trying to make a complete hybrid OS in one package,yes I'm aware of Ubuntu for tablets and touch screen etc... Personally I think Linux will stay away from a Win10 type hybrid OS for quite a while.

I think a hybrid OS is a very useful thing. MS just screwed it up with Win8 by making everyone use metro apps/start screen on a desktop/laptop that don't have touchscreens.

I believe Ubuntu is even trying to release a smartphone.

 

[Mem]

I think a hybrid OS is a very useful thing. MS just screwed it up with Win8 by making everyone use metro apps/start screen on a desktop/laptop that don't have touchscreens.

I believe Ubuntu is even trying to release a smartphone.

Yep info here http://www.ubuntu.com/phone ,Ubuntu is always the first it seems to be pushing fowards not surprising being one of the most popular distros,anyway it's very clean looking.

I have nothing against hybrid OS,I even use Win8.1 .

 

[Skaendo]

I have nothing against hybrid OS,I even use Win8.1.

If it wasn't for the metro/start screen that they forced upon my laptop it would have been bearable, if it didn't constantly make my fan run on high all the time (another Win8 issue that I had and sent me back to Win7).

I think that a hybrid OS just needs to be a little pickier as to what software it installs on what hardware. Which is the purpose of a hybrid OS in the first place. Like I said, the metro/start screen is probably the only thing I didn't like about Win8. If I didn't constantly run into hardware issues with it, a simple start menu replacement would have been acceptable.

 

[Mem]

If it wasn't for the metro/start screen that they forced upon my laptop it would have been bearable, if it didn't constantly make my fan run on high all the time (another Win8 issue that I had and sent me back to Win7).

I think that a hybrid OS just needs to be a little pickier as to what software it installs on what hardware. Which is the purpose of a hybrid OS in the first place. Like I said, the metro/start screen is probably the only thing I didn't like about Win8. If I didn't constantly run into hardware issues with it, a simple start menu replacement would have been acceptable.

I've been gaming on Win8/8.1 since day of release, not had any issues in general(ie browsing,emails,printing ,normal things you do with a PC),stability has been great, drivers no issues in general on both of the two 8.1 PCs I own,I could say the same for my Linux distros too 🙂 .

On 8.1 you can always have Windows boot straight to old desktop and install one of the many third party Start menus which will probably be as close to Win10 you can get without having Win10.

I'll be upgrading to Win10 because I'm a PC gamer,new DX version(DX12) always welcome for PC gamers 🙂 .

I was also one of the first saying give Microsoft time(with Win8) to fine tune Windows being its their first new hybrid OS but some users as usual are impatient,users have short memories they forget Win7 came from a long generation of Windows desktop operating systems,so expecting their first hybrid OS to be the same was too high a goal,all takes time.

 

[Skaendo]

On 8.1 you can always have Windows boot straight to old desktop and install one of the many third party Start menus which will probably be as close to Win10 you can get without having Win10.

Agreed, I did have a start menu replacement when I had Win8. But I had hardware issues with it as well. Fan issues to be exact. On both Dell and HP laptops. That was the proverbial 'straw that broke the camels back'.

I was also one of the first saying give Microsoft time(with Win8) to fine tune Windows being its their first new hybrid OS but some users as usual are impatient,users have short memories they forget Win7 came from a long generation of Windows desktop operating systems,so expecting their first hybrid OS to be the same was too high a goal,all takes time.

Sure but to have a hybrid OS that works it has to distinguish between a laptop, desktop, tablet, smartphone, etc, and install accordingly.

I personally don't use tablets, and I don't want my laptop/desktop to look like one. This is what happened With Win8, IMO. Metro apps, while perfectly good and fitting for a tablet have no place on a desktop without a touchscreen. They have no productivity value to them. Especially in a business environment. Also, I have no time or desire to view Xbox related stuff when I am working.

 

[Raduque]

I personally don't use tablets, and I don't want my laptop/desktop to look like one. This is what happened With Win8, IMO. Metro apps, while perfectly good and fitting for a tablet have no place on a desktop without a touchscreen. They have no productivity value to them. Especially in a business environment. Also, I have no time or desire to view Xbox related stuff when I am working.

You need to pay more attention to Windows 10, then. It's designed that a single SKU is going to operate differently depending on what device you install it on. A tablet user is going to see something different from a touchscreen laptop user who will see something different from a non-touch desktop.

As well, the "xbox related stuff" can be disabled, turned off, removed or hidden.

 

[Skaendo]

You need to pay more attention to Windows 10, then. It's designed that a single SKU is going to operate differently depending on what device you install it on. A tablet user is going to see something different from a touchscreen laptop user who will see something different from a non-touch desktop.

As well, the "xbox related stuff" can be disabled, turned off, removed or hidden.

Good, I can't wait till it's released to see how it goes. That is how a true hybrid OS should be (I Think). Not that I'm such a huge fan of MS that I would have a tablet, smartphone, laptop, desktop, etc and install Win10 on all of them, I do have a desktop that I like to keep Windows on.

Will you be able to use the same SKU/Key on multiple devices that you own? That would be a great advantage to the end user with multiple devices.

 

[escrow4]

Good, I can't wait till it's released to see how it goes. That is how a true hybrid OS should be (I Think). Not that I'm such a huge fan of MS that I would have a tablet, smartphone, laptop, desktop, etc and install Win10 on all of them, I do have a desktop that I like to keep Windows on.

Will you be able to use the same SKU/Key on multiple devices that you own? That would be a great advantage to the end user with multiple devices.

I do have the whole MS ecosystem here - tablet and phone are both running 8.1. Can't complain. Cept my lazy ass bank still doesn't have a mobile Win 8/8.1 app, just a desktop app, which is odd, but meh. It is seamless although it isn't exactly all interconnected like say Apple. Works well enough in the end.

 

[Mem]

Sure but to have a hybrid OS that works it has to distinguish between a laptop, desktop, tablet, smartphone, etc, and install accordingly.

I personally don't use tablets, and I don't want my laptop/desktop to look like one. This is what happened With Win8, IMO. Metro apps, while perfectly good and fitting for a tablet have no place on a desktop without a touchscreen. They have no productivity value to them. Especially in a business environment. Also, I have no time or desire to view Xbox related stuff when I am working.

Win8 was not a bad first attempt as a hybrid OS, 8.1 made it better ie you could boot to old desktop and use your keyboard and mouse and avoid Metro if you wish for the most part,so in many ways it was flexible.

Win10 will refine the process and I expect Win11 to continue that process as well.

Personally Win8 was very stable OS for me but then I have not had a buggy/crappy OS to play with since WinME so going back a bit,WinXP was a little buggy before SP1 but nothing serious.

As for XBOX stuff just do what I did ie remove tiles you don't need and even boot straight to old desktop avoiding Metro,its not rocket science.


I do have a tablet but Android OS,same goes for my phone.

You can bet you some things will be negative feedback in Win10 from some users,end of the day no OS is perfect,I find it easier to adapt and move with the times regardless of Windows or Linux.

I'll be on Win10 and then 11,some things don't change for some users,take more then Metro UI or changes in GUI to scare me off Windows.

🙂

 

[Skaendo]

Win8 was not a bad first attempt as a hybrid OS, 8.1 made it better ie you could boot to old desktop and use your keyboard and mouse and avoid Metro if you wish for the most part,so in many ways it was flexible.

This is why it failed though (Win8). It made you change settings, install 3rd party apps & remove Xbox related stuff to make it usable again in an business environment.
I dont know how stable it was at first either, I had installed it on a Dell laptop and a HP laptop and immediately had hardware issues. Fans in both units would run constantly at high RPMs, and the Dell unit in Win8.1 the fan wouldn't run at all. HP didn't even want to support Win8 or 8.1 with new drivers for their hardware.

 

[Mem]

This is why it failed though (Win8). It made you change settings, install 3rd party apps & remove Xbox related stuff to make it usable again in an business environment.
I dont know how stable it was at first either, I had installed it on a Dell laptop and a HP laptop and immediately had hardware issues. Fans in both units would run constantly at high RPMs, and the Dell unit in Win8.1 the fan wouldn't run at all. HP didn't even want to support Win8 or 8.1 with new drivers for their hardware.

A bit like Linux 😉 flexible you could make changes etc...I was really speaking from the home user front,we all know business users are a boring bunch and like things to stay the same for next 10000 years 😀 .