Now that Windows 10 is released... I feel like installing Linux Mint.

[RampantAndroid]

This is why it failed though (Win8). It made you change settings, install 3rd party apps & remove Xbox related stuff to make it usable again in an business environment.
I dont know how stable it was at first either, I had installed it on a Dell laptop and a HP laptop and immediately had hardware issues. Fans in both units would run constantly at high RPMs, and the Dell unit in Win8.1 the fan wouldn't run at all. HP didn't even want to support Win8 or 8.1 with new drivers for their hardware.

I've been running Windows 8 and 8.1 in a business setting without any of the "tools to make it usable" since the release of 8.1. I don't even use start8 at home anymore. The fact that there are modern apps there means...nothing. Why freak out about xbox stuff being there? You don't have to use it if you don't want to...

People don't like change; that's why XP lived so long. 8 and 8.1's numbers are low because it had the odd tile interface, cared more about touch and...well, they don't like change.

 

[Skaendo]

I've been running Windows 8 and 8.1 in a business setting without any of the "tools to make it usable" since the release of 8.1. I don't even use start8 at home anymore. The fact that there are modern apps there means...nothing. Why freak out about xbox stuff being there? You don't have to use it if you don't want to...

I'm 'freaking out' about the Xbox stuff because 1. It has no place in a work environment unless you are a Xbox game developer. It only becomes a distraction and will hinder productivity; where as if a user of a pc sitting at his/her desk working productively clicks on a Xbox related 'tile' and starts looking at Xbox related things, he/she is now not working, not being productive, and using company resources for entertainment purposes. If I am paying somebody to work for me, that is what I expect, work, not entertaining themselves on time that I am paying them for. & 2. A lot of things that I have searched for relating to support and purchasing for Windows has been diverted to Xbox support and the Xbox store. This would be OK at best if MS allowed Windows to be run on the Xbox as an OS or vise versa, play Xbox games on your PC.

8 and 8.1's numbers are low because it had the odd tile interface, cared more about touch

Exactly. But place emphasis on ODD and TOUCH. I'm sure what was going on at MS was: 'What can we do to make it different? The core system is basically the same so lets change the way it looks.' Windows users have grown used to and comfortable with the classic Windows look and feel. That's what is great about a Windows PC. You can't make someones laptop/desktop without a touchscreen have a touchscreen or act like a tablet just by making it look like one. It doesn't work, and Win8/8.1 has proved that. And I think Win10 will continue to prove that by being a better hybrid OS and hopefully not putting the 'Start Screen' on laptops/desktops.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I'm 'freaking out' about the Xbox stuff because 1. It has no place in a work environment unless you are a Xbox game developer. It only becomes a distraction and will hinder productivity; where as if a user of a pc sitting at his/her desk working productively clicks on a Xbox related 'tile' and starts looking at Xbox related things, he/she is now not working, not being productive, and using company resources for entertainment purposes. If I am paying somebody to work for me, that is what I expect, work, not entertaining themselves on time that I am paying them for. & 2. A lot of things that I have searched for relating to support and purchasing for Windows has been diverted to Xbox support and the Xbox store. This would be OK at best if MS allowed Windows to be run on the Xbox as an OS or vise versa, play Xbox games on your PC.

Do you actually manage PCs for a company? If you do, you'd know that you can create install images without these apps installed.

For Windows, you won't be directed to XBox; I have never seen a Windows related site for purchasing direct you to the XBox. To the windows store...perhaps. But not xbox.com.

 

[Skaendo]

Do you actually manage PCs for a company? If you do, you'd know that you can create install images without these apps installed.

I do, I manage every day ops & do all IT. It's small scale, about 5 desktops & about 10 laptops. All have Win7, except for my laptop that I use at work and home that runs Debian Jessie. Only laptops have access to internet & are for office personnel, desktops are for time logging used by employees. If I had my way they would all run some Linux distro, but the app we use for time logging (includes clock in & out, and job specific time logs) only has a Windows app, and the uppers are afraid of change, or don't want to spend the time and money to convert and re-train everyone how to use a new system. I can understand that from their viewpoint.

Most of the time I don't have any time to be making an custom install image, slipstreaming, 3rd party apps, customizing, and keeping it all up to date. Since now that Win10 is going to soon be released I don't want to mess with it at all, as long as things are functioning normally.

 

[escrow4]

I do, I manage every day ops & do all IT. It's small scale, about 5 desktops & about 10 laptops. All have Win7, except for my laptop that I use at work and home that runs Debian Jessie. Only laptops have access to internet & are for office personnel, desktops are for time logging used by employees. If I had my way they would all run some Linux distro, but the app we use for time logging (includes clock in & out, and job specific time logs) only has a Windows app, and the uppers are afraid of change, or don't want to spend the time and money to convert and re-train everyone how to use a new system. I can understand that from their viewpoint.

Most of the time I don't have any time to be making an custom install image, slipstreaming, 3rd party apps, customizing, and keeping it all up to date. Since now that Win10 is going to soon be released I don't want to mess with it at all, as long as things are functioning normally.

Don't worry. You'll be replacing your employees with robots sooner rather than later and this won't be an issue. Repetitive IT and office tasks are one of the first things to get the boot.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I do, I manage every day ops & do all IT. It's small scale, about 5 desktops & about 10 laptops. All have Win7, except for my laptop that I use at work and home that runs Debian Jessie. Only laptops have access to internet & are for office personnel, desktops are for time logging used by employees. If I had my way they would all run some Linux distro, but the app we use for time logging (includes clock in & out, and job specific time logs) only has a Windows app, and the uppers are afraid of change, or don't want to spend the time and money to convert and re-train everyone how to use a new system. I can understand that from their viewpoint.

Most of the time I don't have any time to be making an custom install image, slipstreaming, 3rd party apps, customizing, and keeping it all up to date. Since now that Win10 is going to soon be released I don't want to mess with it at all, as long as things are functioning normally.

I find it hard to believe you don't have an hour to create a custom WIM; most of which is background work not needing your attention. If your business is going to move to Windows 10 immediately, you're running a little too close to the edge. It's prudent to lag a few builds behind to ensure that things are compatible, bugs are worked out and so forth.

 

[tential]

So you're saying that perhaps my main torrent box should not use Windows 10?

 

[Skaendo]

So you're saying that perhaps my main torrent box should not use Windows 10?

LOL, That would be a good idea since MS says that they are collecting just about everything you do with Win10TP. That will prob change with the official release.

 

[denis280]

LOL, That would be a good idea since MS says that they are collecting just about everything you do with Win10TP. That will prob change with the official release.

:'(Sad but thrut.and by the way Skaendo its in asphalt now

 

[Skaendo]

and by the way Skaendo its in asphalt now

nah, It is a lot longer to get there;

First turn off the highway on to the gravel road, turn left at the state tree (pump jack), ignore the 'Protected by Smith & Wesson' & 'Trespassers will be shot, Survivors will be shot again' signs, pass the pile of cattle bones & tumbleweeds, go through the barbed wire gate, over the cattle guard, and if you made it that far......

Does it show that I'm from Texas?

 

[tential]

LOL, That would be a good idea since MS says that they are collecting just about everything you do with Win10TP. That will prob change with the official release.

Lol, happy I read this thread rather than skipping through every single piece of text MS wouldhave asked me to read to try out the Win10TP.

Win10tp shouldn't be a free invitation to MS to snoop my whole extended network of PCs.... it shouldnt' even be an invitation to log what I'm doing on my PC. It should be for us to offer feedback and to submit crash reports (or at least describe crashes on the beta forum to then be fixed).

Seems excessive, I've got spare PCs to test it on but I'd rather not sign away my right to privacy while using a PERSONAL computer.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Lol, happy I read this thread rather than skipping through every single piece of text MS wouldhave asked me to read to try out the Win10TP.

Win10tp shouldn't be a free invitation to MS to snoop my whole extended network of PCs.... it shouldnt' even be an invitation to log what I'm doing on my PC. It should be for us to offer feedback and to submit crash reports (or at least describe crashes on the beta forum to then be fixed).

Seems excessive, I've got spare PCs to test it on but I'd rather not sign away my right to privacy while using a PERSONAL computer.

For the record, it'd be all kinds of illegal for them to prosecute you with info they gleaned...

Skaendo, I'll take your lack of reply to be a bit of an admission. If you don't do any serious work on your windows machines, you shouldn't be running a very recent build of windows per se, nor should you be on here complaining about problems like Xbox being on there when it's a VERY solvable problem for enterprises (and enterprise builds very frequently have no game content on them - solitaire or otherwise.)

 

[Skaendo]

I find it hard to believe you don't have an hour to create a custom WIM; most of which is background work not needing your attention. If your business is going to move to Windows 10 immediately, you're running a little too close to the edge. It's prudent to lag a few builds behind to ensure that things are compatible, bugs are worked out and so forth.

I don't normally have an extra hour, which is very generous for creating a WIM, the computers often take a back seat to other responsibilities I have. I will be setting up a test workstation with Win10 before I deploy to the rest of them, to make sure that everything works normally.