Gikaseixas
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Phenom II should def. be considered for another die shrink and add 2 more cores to it, tweak turbo core, etc
Probably the biggest disappointment this year. It seems that the architecture is still not ready after all those delays or it may simply be that it is what it is a bad architecture. The problem with the windows 7 scheduler only makes it worse (is 7 going to have a patch to fix this?).
They should have cancelled bulldozers launch a year ago and focused on bringing out another iteration of phenom in 32nm. They could have then sorted out the remaining problems with the bulldozer architecture. GF's 32nm node could also be allot better by then. As it is now they've only tarnished the FX brand with a mediocre product
They should have cancelled bulldozers launch a year ago and focused on bringing out another iteration of phenom in 32nm. They could have then sorted out the remaining problems with the bulldozer architecture. GF's 32nm node could also be allot better by then. As it is now they've only tarnished the FX brand with a mediocre product
yeah it really does seem like a 32nm 8 core thuban could at least challenge if not consistently best the 2600K in heavily threaded scenarios and force intel to possibly consider a 6 core for 1155 or at least bring prices down on SB-E
Hitler has received news about BD. :sneaky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SArxcnpXStE&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SArxcnpXStE&feature=player_embedded
I think it's an ok performer (not spectacular, but ok for the price). But I also think it has to get its power consumption down. All the doom and gloom talk is way overblown. Most of us compute on our phones without any issues. The gaming desktop PC market is not that big...
In the end I'd still pick one up if the price was right. But I would rather have a 32nm hexcore Phenom II running at 4.6-4.8GHz with slightly tweaked cores/cache that gives 10% better IPC. I wonder why they didn't go that route..?
In the end I'd still pick one up if the price was right. But I would rather have a 32nm hexcore Phenom II running at 4.6-4.8GHz with slightly tweaked cores/cache that gives 10% better IPC. I wonder why they didn't go that route..?
sandorski
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I won't be Upgrading for 18+ months and I will be going AMD. Hopefully, GF will have ironed out the the production issues and AMD adds some improvements along the way.
The problem for AMD now is GF. Once that gets sorted AMD will do well in the Server space and in the OEM Low-Mid End with its' APU's.
The problem for AMD now is GF. Once that gets sorted AMD will do well in the Server space and in the OEM Low-Mid End with its' APU's.
Bulldozer was everything I expected it to be which is why I am waiting for Bulldozer II just like I did with Phenom lol 
A few posts up I mentioned that I'm not sure why they didn't tweak Phenom and work with that, since it performs similar to BD. Then you mentioned upgrading in 18 months, and that got me thinking. AMD must have thought Phenom wouldn't work long term, but BD may have a lot of potential in it's second and/or third iteration. But that leaves them fighting in the budget market again, in the meantime.
I would think that an 8150 @ 4.6GHz would be quite the performer. But I keep my eye on power consumption, and I would imagine that might be too much for me.
sandorski
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They certainly have to do something about the Power Consumption. That ****'s ridiculous.
My problem is that my upstairs is my computer area. I have one 15amp ciruit for the entire floor. In winter I may have a space heater going, in summer a window AC unit (the upstairs was an attic converted to living space by the previous owner, they ran one very small vent to the entire 300 sq. ft. area). So when you add a 550 watt AC or a 1000 watt space heater, a lot of my available power is already in use. Then my computer and my wife's computer are upstairs, I run dual 5870's already... Add lights, a small TV, you get the idea...
Really, BD is somewhat of a Fermi, but at least Fermi coulld claim if it was faster than the 5870. BD can fight on price, but it's a bit of a let down for the wait. Maybe a new stepping will come out that increases clocks or something. < shrug >
I guess AMD's marketing is to blame here. They over hyped BD into a second Athlon 64 FX while it is clearly not the case. Perhaps if they just called it B-Series or something, everyone wouldn't have been so disappointed.
I ask myself as well if AMD should just have spent all those resources into shrinking Thuban and made it into an 8-core in 32nm. How well would that do? Possibly better than BD today. But they have to think about the long-term. They can't expect to shrink Thuban everytime and add some more cores, they need a new architecture. That's where BD comes in. BD's architecture is something totally new. Perhaps not ready for primetime. And hopefully AMD will address many issues with PileDriver and let the software industry address BD's architecture. To me, this launch looks quite a lot like Barcelona. Disappointing at first, but look how K10 turned out in the end. Only time will tell...
I ask myself as well if AMD should just have spent all those resources into shrinking Thuban and made it into an 8-core in 32nm. How well would that do? Possibly better than BD today. But they have to think about the long-term. They can't expect to shrink Thuban everytime and add some more cores, they need a new architecture. That's where BD comes in. BD's architecture is something totally new. Perhaps not ready for primetime. And hopefully AMD will address many issues with PileDriver and let the software industry address BD's architecture. To me, this launch looks quite a lot like Barcelona. Disappointing at first, but look how K10 turned out in the end. Only time will tell...
qliveur
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What really bugs me is how AMD keeps lying about performance before launch. They did the same thing with Phenom I.
Haven't they learned yet that it's bad PR to do that?
Haven't they learned yet that it's bad PR to do that?
Why? Is some miracle supposed to happen between now and then?
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n0x1ous
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Everyone keeps mentioning this.....the problem is no matter how high they clock BD it is a complete and utter failure compared to SB. maybe at 4.6 it would close the gap to SB at stock clocks but SB easily goes to 4.6 as well in which case BD would still be obliterated.
I can't believe I actually thought this was going to be competitve.....What a joke. Probably the worst CPU launch of all time.
smakme7757
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I've never understood consumers like you. Sticking to a single brand even if another brand gives you more for your dollar.
It's just not logical.
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