Now She Wants To Debate! Will the DNC allow it?

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TheGardener

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Heh. Bernie didn't make the accusation you claim he did, which is false attribution. When asked if he thought it was rigged, he said "I don't know. Maybe."

Who is this Hogden you quote? I can't find it at the link you provided. Please provide the title to the particular article.

If fewer debates supposedly favor Hillary, how would the DNC scheduling more help her if that's their intention?

And why do you care, other than to spread the FUD? You're more likely to squirt lighter fluid on your dick & dance around to disco inferno than you are to vote democratic.

When the DNC tell you to jump off tall bridge, I'm sure you'll do it without question.

I didn't quote Hogden. O'Malley did. Go ask him or the NY Times.

What do I care? If you don't like reading and participating in these discussions in a positive way, then don't. But you are not going censor me. Your personal and sadistic insults are par for the course. I will ignore them. And now I will ignore you.
 

Jhhnn

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So why no debates yet? The public should have the opportunity to see where Clinton and Sanders stand on issues.

I guess the fear is Clinton would be unmasked as a Democrat in name only if she actually had to step up to the plate.

Anyone who thinks its good that Clinton does not have to debate, is an idiot.

Heh. Maybe there have been no debates among Dems because the election is over 13 months away. Maybe Repubs are just attention whores, huh?

Sure looks that way, given all the other posturing & pandering they're doing.

Despite your innuendo it seems likely that Clinton will debate at least 4 times next year so you'll have plenty of opportunities to vent the Hillary hate. Don't let your head explode in the meanwhile, OK?
 

Hugo Drax

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This is Washington machine politics at its best -- or maybe its worst. In a year when others are struggling to distance themselves from Washington and politics as usual, Team Clinton is doing what they do best and engaging in blatant, self-serving manipulation...
As I've written before, the Clinton campaign is one that has to avoid crowds and the media, and the latter obviously includes live debates with opponents. Letting Chairwoman Wasserman Schultz prove her loyalty as a fixer is consistent with the predictable Clintonian modus operandi, even if it is misguided.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...alley-debating-hillary-clinton_b_8087334.html

The irony is in the end all it will lead to is a BUSH III presidency in 2016
 

Blackjack200

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Can someone explain to me why this is such a big deal almost fourteen months from the GE and four and a half months from the Iowa caucus? The DNC has four fucking debates scheduled before the absurdly early Iowa vote.

Oh wait, is it because EMAIL SERVAARRR!!!!!!!!! Is losing its legs? Pity.

I want Bernie to win, righties are gonna pop a vein with US officially under commie writ. CBD leads to popped veins and cleansing of this defect.

Jokes aside, wonder whatb a Bernie / Trump independent run would be. fuck DNC and fuck RNC.

Clinton would cause far more veins to pop. Read this very forum for evidence, they might hate her more than Obama.
 

Blackjack200

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The irony is in the end all it will lead to is a BUSH III presidency in 2016

If you think Bush has any chance of winning an election I can only assume you went to sleep the day he declared his candidacy and are just waking up now.

Here's an example of how he campaigns: he actually tweeted a picture of his brother standing on the rubble of the world trade center with the suggestion that he 'kept us safe'.

https://twitter.com/jebbush/status/644542458735525888
 

nageov3t

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it's all political theater... Bernie doesn't really want more debates either. he's got to like his current trajectory, and debates will only give a bigger platform to Martin O'Malley who's trying to compete for the same voters.
 

pcgeek11

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Hillary doesn't need any debates either. She is done anyway, most of America knows she is a lying self serving old dried up hag.
 

Jhhnn

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When the DNC tell you to jump off tall bridge, I'm sure you'll do it without question.

I didn't quote Hogden. O'Malley did. Go ask him or the NY Times.

What do I care? If you don't like reading and participating in these discussions in a positive way, then don't. But you are not going censor me. Your personal and sadistic insults are par for the course. I will ignore them. And now I will ignore you.

When you offer a quote & a link to the supposed source, the reader should be able to find the quoted material in the link. It's not there. Mistakes happen but doubling down on one isn't a mistake but rather something else entirely.

Since when is concern trolling "participating in these discussions in a positive way"?

It's just hacking at Hillary & the DNC.
 

Hugo Drax

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When you offer a quote & a link to the supposed source, the reader should be able to find the quoted material in the link. It's not there. Mistakes happen but doubling down on one isn't a mistake but rather something else entirely.

Since when is concern trolling "participating in these discussions in a positive way"?

It's just hacking at Hillary & the DNC.

Wow, you seem to be reading from the script. You must be connected somehow to her campaign.

Otherwise why are you against more transparency, don't you think the public is entitled to hear what Sanders and Clinton have to offer? She is being protected by the DNC like what the GOP did with Palin when they wanted to minimize her exposure.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/06/dem..._debate_schedule_hands_clinton_the_advantage/

With Clinton less is more, The less exposure, less she debates the better. The DNC knows this and is working to make sure she is protected like what the GOP attempted with Palin.
 
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Jhhnn

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Wow, you seem to be reading from the script. You must be connected somehow to her campaign.

Otherwise why are you against more transparency, don't you think the public is entitled to hear what Sanders and Clinton have to offer? She is being protected by the DNC like what the GOP did with Palin when they wanted to minimize her exposure.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/06/dem..._debate_schedule_hands_clinton_the_advantage/

With Clinton less is more, The less exposure, less she debates the better. The DNC knows this and is working to make sure she is protected like what the GOP attempted with Palin.

So, you're saying that the quote provided by the Gardener is actually in the link he provided, or not? Or was the sound of the dog whistle enough to set you barking as well?

I'm neither for or against more debates on the Dem side of it. That's for the DNC & the candidates to sort out, not for the concern trolls to use against Dems in general.

Why do you care, other than finding a convenient way to tear down the opposition?

Repubs would do better to build up their own position, show the American people what great things they have in mind that aren't pampering the Rich or playing on fear & bigotry.

Oh, I forgot- they don't have anything like that, do they?
 

Darwin333

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The DNC adopted rules that would exclude candidates from DNC sanctioned debates if they participated in an unsanctioned forum. The RNC implemented the same rule previously.

I'd be curious to see if they would really go through with it if the 2 or 3 front runners for their party did participate in an unsanctioned forum.
 

Hugo Drax

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So, you're saying that the quote provided by the Gardener is actually in the link he provided, or not? Or was the sound of the dog whistle enough to set you barking as well?

I'm neither for or against more debates on the Dem side of it. That's for the DNC & the candidates to sort out, not for the concern trolls to use against Dems in general.

Why do you care, other than finding a convenient way to tear down the opposition?

Repubs would do better to build up their own position, show the American people what great things they have in mind that aren't pampering the Rich or playing on fear & bigotry.

Oh, I forgot- they don't have anything like that, do they?

So you are saying is debates are bad for Clinton. Obviously you feel there should be no debates right now. You do know Clinton is Pampering the Rich and represents the interests of the 1%
 

Jhhnn

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So you are saying is debates are bad for Clinton. Obviously you feel there should be no debates right now. You do know Clinton is Pampering the Rich and represents the interests of the 1%

I didn't say that. You have, repeatedly, in a very persistent concern troll fashion.
 

feralkid

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Shes a liar who has done a huge disservice to Ambassador Stevens and his family by distorting the truth of the circumstances of his death.


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HTFOff

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You forgot a couple. :hmm:

Number of erroneous explanations for attacks on U.S. embassy E.g. a youtube video: 0

Number of tax dollars spent on propaganda commercials via pakistani state television apologizing for a constitutionally protected right: 0

This is fun.
 

Tombstone1881

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So why no debates yet? The public should have the opportunity to see where Clinton and Sanders stand on issues.
We do. It's called watching their stump speeches. And we can do that at any time on a place called the internet, with many of those posted on a site called Youtube.

The democrats don't need debates yet. We are still over a year out. There are only 6 democratic candidates with 4 of them having no chance. What's to debate yet that isn't covered in their platform speeches?

It is the republicans who need to debate. There are still 16 candidates and they still need to eliminate 15 of them. Until the republicans narrow their field down to a couple of serious candidates, they've got no room to cry about the democrats debates. They still need to clean up their own yard first.
 

TheGardener

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When you offer a quote & a link to the supposed source, the reader should be able to find the quoted material in the link. It's not there. Mistakes happen but doubling down on one isn't a mistake but rather something else entirely.

Since when is concern trolling "participating in these discussions in a positive way"?

It's just hacking at Hillary & the DNC.

The quote appears in the article. I'm not responsible for fact checking the New York Times. You need to get back on the meds, dude.

You also use the word troll a lot. With 22,000 plus posts, I'd venture to say 20,000 are personal attacks of some nature. We know who the troll is. Again, get back on the meds.
 

Jhhnn

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The quote appears in the article. I'm not responsible for fact checking the New York Times. You need to get back on the meds, dude.

You also use the word troll a lot. With 22,000 plus posts, I'd venture to say 20,000 are personal attacks of some nature. We know who the troll is. Again, get back on the meds.

Sigh. This is your quote-

“Even if it’s not intentional, it would certainly appear that the DNC is showing favoritism to Hillary by not scheduling a lot of debates,” Hogden said. “What they’re doing is hurting the Democratic Party in the process. They’re more worried about protecting somebody than they are building up party overall.”

Supposedly from this article, which I copy reluctantly in its entirety-

1. MINNEAPOLIS – Martin O’Malley had one clear chance to make waves within the Democratic National Committee, and he seized it, delivering a fiery speech Friday that condemned his party’s leadership for what he called a process “rigged” to help Hillary Rodham Clinton — namely, curtailing the number of presidential primary debates.

2. Accusing party leaders of trying to keep Democratic ideas hidden as the Republican presidential candidates spew “racist hate” from their debate lecterns, Mr. O’Malley, the former Maryland governor and mayor of Baltimore, questioned the decision to hold “four debates and four debates only” before the first four states finish voting.

3. “This is totally unprecedented in our party’s history,” Mr. O’Malley said. “This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before. Whose decree is it exactly? Where did it come from? To what end? For what purpose? What national or party interest does this decree serve? How does this help us tell the story of the last eight years of Democratic progress?”

4. While Mr. O’Malley never named the party’s chairwoman, Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, his remarks about the debates were clearly aimed at her – and she sat looking grim throughout, barely clapping, and appeared angry when she shook his hand once he finished.

5. He did not name Mrs. Clinton in his speech, either, but Mr. O’Malley was asked afterward if he thought the debate schedule had been arranged for her benefit. “Yes, I think so. Don’t you?” he replied.

6. While Mr. O’Malley has been deeply critical of the party for weeks over the debate schedule, this was a frontal attack on the party’s leadership from its own stage. Without endorsements or many major donors, Mr. O’Malley has little to lose.

7. But he was giving voice to a complaint that a growing number of party committee members have been making privately. Those members, mindful that Mrs. Clinton’s standing in some polls has sagged lately, have been concerned about a process that could ultimately do the party a disservice.

8. But delivering such a raw speech startled Democrats at the party’s summer meeting, although it was met with cheers from the crowd.

9. Mr. O’Malley, a lifelong Democrat and onetime chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, seemed comfortable playing the insurgent as he took the stage.

10. He urged Democrats to draw a sharp contrast with the discourse among the Republican presidential candidates. “Silence and complacency in the face of hate is not an honorable option,” he said, alluding to Donald J. Trump’s divisive remarks about immigration and women. “We must stand before the American people and show them we have a better way.”

11. Mr. O’Malley pointed out that the New Hampshire debate, the only one to be held before that state’s primary, was set for a weekend in December, when many people will be distracted with Christmas shopping and family obligations. (“At home we would call that too cute by half,” he told reporters after his speech.)

12. Later, he acknowledged that he was not the only liberal candidate in the race, but trumpeted his accomplishments in Maryland, including signing a law extending in-state tuition rates to college students who are in the country illegally.

13. At the moment, Mr. O’Malley is polling in the low single digits in almost every public survey, and he has been fighting to gain traction as Senator Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent, has drawn a huge following.

14. But Mr. O’Malley’s bold showing Friday seemed an attempt to remind party members attending the meeting that, if Mr. Sanders falters, Mr. O’Malley could be a credible alternative to Mrs. Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...-schedule-rigged-to-aid-hillary-clinton/?_r=0

I've numbered each paragraph to make it easy for you to indicate which one contains the quote you offered. I'll gladly admit to being mistaken should you do so.

Have at it, please. Proper attribution is an important part of any honest discussion.
 

BoberFett

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The DNC adopted rules that would exclude candidates from DNC sanctioned debates if they participated in an unsanctioned forum. The RNC implemented the same rule previously.

How very democratic.

LOL, American politics.
 

Genx87

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How very democratic.

LOL, American politics.

I find it rather sad the party of ideas doesn't want to debate ideas. 3 candidates, 4 debates. Basically give the nomination to the old party boss and pull the lever.
 

ivwshane

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BUT BOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHHH!!!!! Duh-flect much? Are you mixing up which Bush is running for Pres this time around?

It is pretty easy to get them confused don't you think? Same advisors, same policies, and same denial about the results of actions bush jr took. Can you name more than one foreign policy difference between the two brothers?