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I will never understand why people have such a problem accepting movies with a biblical story, but are fine with all of the exact same themes and ideas in fantasy movies. Especially when it's something like Noah, which is 100% a fantasy movie, as the director is an atheist, and would obviously have no intention of perpetuating the story as reality.

Because one has people who believe in that fantasy and will argue, fight, kill over it, and the other is just that. Fantasy.

I have no problem with them myself. I thought Noah was horrible, but Passion was good. Not seen Exodus yet.
 

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Passion of the Christ might be unfair of me to use. That was definitely more a product of crazy Mel. But Noah and exodus both retell the bible. At the end of the day it's the interpretation and translation to film that makes these movies unappealing. How do you portray someone talking to god or hearing voices as not crazy? This seems to be a perpetual problem for these screen writers. They seem to try to make god less angry in this latest movie with the visual representation but it just comes across as crazy on the big screen. They try to use science to explain gods work but it just does not work.

I just don't think the bible works well in the theater.

Really? I think it's great; it's just a fantasy book, like Lord of the Rings or whatever, so it is perfect for a big movie or franchise. Just need the right people doing it.

I still need to see Noah since I do love Aranofsky. :hmm:

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Really? I think it's great; it's just a fantasy book, like Lord of the Rings or whatever, so it is perfect for a big movie or franchise. Just need the right people doing it.

I still need to see Noah since I do love Aranofsky. :hmm:

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Except that billions of people worship it.

That's a huge difference.
 

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The United Federation of Planets is real to me, dammit!

I'm an agnostic but I have no problem with movies that portray gods of whatever pantheon as existing.

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Oblivion - 8/10 - Tom Cruise as the last man on Earth, in a SF movie that would have been played by Charlton Heston in the 70s. Some great visuals, decent story with twists, and good work by the actors including Tech 49's partner, the last woman on Earth. The actors were an effective team.
 

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Because one has people who believe in that fantasy and will argue, fight, kill over it, and the other is just that. Fantasy.

I have no problem with them myself. I thought Noah was horrible, but Passion was good. Not seen Exodus yet.
People will argue just as much over the Hobbit adaptations as they will over Noah. I just don't understand how people can be so enthusiastic over religious zealots like the Jedi or talking trees in Lord of the Rings, but then find Noah or Exodus too absurd for film, to paraphrase doubledeluxe. Now if he shares that sentiment over other fantasy movies, then perhaps I mistook his comments?
 

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Really? I think it's great; it's just a fantasy book, like Lord of the Rings or whatever, so it is perfect for a big movie or franchise. Just need the right people doing it.

I still need to see Noah since I do love Aranofsky. :hmm:

KT

That is the gripe I had with the movie Noah... seemed more like a Wizard of Oz movie with the strange looking creatures straight out of a Pumpkinhead movie.

I'm not religious, but I didn't expect Lord of the Noah; just doesn't fit imo.

Wondering if the new religious one they've been hyping will have autobots or Stephen King monsters.
 

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You can Argue that religious movies should be held to the same standards as fantasy but regardless of your beliefs they are different genres.

If anything the religious should see these movies just to see the illogical nature if their religion.
 

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I will never understand why people have such a problem accepting movies with a biblical story, but are fine with all of the exact same themes and ideas in fantasy movies. Especially when it's something like Noah, which is 100% a fantasy movie, as the director is an atheist, and would obviously have no intention of perpetuating the story as reality.

The difference is that millions believe biblical stories to be a retelling of true stories.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy. There is no such expectation.
 

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Passion of the Christ might be unfair of me to use. That was definitely more a product of crazy Mel. But Noah and exodus both retell the bible. At the end of the day it's the interpretation and translation to film that makes these movies unappealing. How do you portray someone talking to god or hearing voices as not crazy? This seems to be a perpetual problem for these screen writers. They seem to try to make god less angry in this latest movie with the visual representation but it just comes across as crazy on the big screen. They try to use science to explain gods work but it just does not work.

I just don't think the bible works well in the theater.

Big Transformers-like fallen angel golem rock creatures? Glowing magic snake skin artifacts? Abrahamic test that actually runs completely counter to the actual test of Abraham? If anything, Passion was the most grounded of the three you mention with the biggest problem being his non-biblical manifestation of the devil.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Arwen spoke to Strider in LotR, they didn't portray him as crazy, and you didn't object. In Noah, they actually DID portray him as crazy! That's what Christians didn't like. Get a clue.

Christians don't like these movies either:
http://youtu.be/NrSAC9mDe9w
http://youtu.be/aLQB8IHDf4U

You can Argue that religious movies should be held to the same standards as fantasy but regardless of your beliefs they are different genres.

If anything the religious should see these movies just to see the illogical nature if their religion.
And here is where you reveal that you are simply intolerant and biased from the start. If it helps, most of them hate these movies more than you for the same reasons. These aren't religious movies. They are made by atheists and Hollywood for crying out loud!

The difference is that millions believe biblical stories to be a retelling of true stories.

Fantasy is just that, fantasy. There is no such expectation.

But the biggest "WTF?!" moments in the movies he is talking about ARE complete fantasy and are not from the biblical text.
 
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Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox - 9/10

Pretty good. Also, if you watch The Flash TV show, it kinda puts some things into context.
 

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That is the gripe I had with the movie Noah... seemed more like a Wizard of Oz movie with the strange looking creatures straight out of a Pumpkinhead movie.

I'm not religious, but I didn't expect Lord of the Noah; just doesn't fit imo.

Wondering if the new religious one they've been hyping will have autobots or Stephen King monsters.

It was a strange movie. The only thing that offended me about Noah, though, was the rampant pro-vegan propaganda that was shoved in our faces. :mad:
 

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I'm waiting for the director's cut that I'm sure will show up on Blu-Ray. Scott is well known for editing his movies down to please the studios and releasing his version later. The director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven is one of his best films, and while I've never seen the theatrical release, it got a similar reception as Exodus theatrically.

agreed.


/patiently waits for Prometheus DC. :(
 

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American Sniper - 9/10 (Theater Pre-Screening)

Another great movie by Clint Eastwood. Bradley Cooper performs the best role of his career. Sienna Miller makes her debut (for me) as a very capable actress in her vital supporting role. The movie is a must-see for Americans... and Texans.

I particularly appreciate how the movie sheds light on the whole PTSD issue. The man is a legend and a hero.

The story is so effing depressing, I'm not sure if I will be able to watch it.

Well, I'm going to watch it, anyway, as I'm highly anticipating it.
 

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Wasn't trying to stir the pot, but I got an answer anyhow. I guess I just don't have a problem ignoring that some people may believe in elements of the movie I see as fantasy. I feel a good film maker can make that kind of material appealing to most, where as lesser religious movies can certainly feel like they are preaching to the converted. Much like a good film maker can tell a compelling story using a political ideology I may completely disagree with, where as a less talented individual may just churn out something that reeks of propaganda.

Really? I think it's great; it's just a fantasy book, like Lord of the Rings or whatever, so it is perfect for a big movie or franchise. Just need the right people doing it.

I still need to see Noah since I do love Aranofsky. :hmm:

KT
I'm a fan as well, and enjoyed it quite a bit. The score and some of the visuals were reminiscent of The Fountain, and I found the various character struggles interesting. Even with it being a more main stream production, it is unmistakably Aronofsky. Though it's obviously been pretty divisive within and out of his fan base, so you may hate it. ;)
 
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Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox - 9/10

Pretty good. Also, if you watch The Flash TV show, it kinda puts some things into context.

Excellent movie! DC animation has a ton of great releases, but this one is near the top of my list.
 

Ichinisan

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Passion of the Christ might be unfair of me to use. That was definitely more a product of crazy Mel. But Noah and exodus both retell the bible. At the end of the day it's the interpretation and translation to film that makes these movies unappealing. How do you portray someone talking to god or hearing voices as not crazy? This seems to be a perpetual problem for these screen writers. They seem to try to make god less angry in this latest movie with the visual representation but it just comes across as crazy on the big screen. They try to use science to explain gods work but it just does not work.

I just don't think the bible works well in the theater.

The Prince of Egypt was absolutely amazing in the theater.
 

Ichinisan

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Really? I think it's great; it's just a fantasy book, like Lord of the Rings or whatever, so it is perfect for a big movie or franchise. Just need the right people doing it.

I still need to see Noah since I do love Aranofsky. :hmm:

KT

Unfortunately, Noah is more like Transformers than The Fountain. :(
 

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I guess I am one of the few who thinks that The Passion of the Christ is the most accurate depiction of Christ's crucifixion ever made. It may seem like a snuff film but execution of any type isn't pretty.

I give it a 10/10. Powerful, beautiful film.
 
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