November NPD Numbers
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purbeast0
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Mario Galaxy selling only 1.12 million copies into a market of over 10million Wii's just shows you how many non-gamers own the Wii. It sold even less in Japan, like 450k or something.
Mario Galaxy is one of the only "real" games on the Wii and one of the best games I've played in a long time.
I really think the future of the Wii is going to go the route of the GC and the N64.
Mario Galaxy is one of the only "real" games on the Wii and one of the best games I've played in a long time.
I really think the future of the Wii is going to go the route of the GC and the N64.
purbeast0
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yea but if no one is buying many games for it then it doesn't really matter.
i'm hoping that it's just the whole thing where the market did not expect the Wii to sell so well so not many devs had plans for games, but once they saw it selling so well they are now developing some quality games.
i mean i was looking on gamersyde.com today and i saw pictures for another freaking boxing game, AND another sports compliation title.
PS3 is still losing, but 466K is a decent number. At this rate it isn't going to catch up to the 360 in the US, it will only change the ratio from 3:1 to 2:1.
Those are good numbers for the PS3 COD and Assassin's creed, showing that PS3 versions of cross-platform games are worth the extra effort. It's not going to convince anyone to make PS3 exclusives for the US market though.
The PS3 is doing well outside the US if you believe VGChartz -- they have it selling about as many units as the 360 worldwide, beating the 360 in Japan and "Other"-land.
Competition keeps MS honest, so I'm rooting for the PS3 as the underdog even though I'm not convinced that its Sony masters have given up the binge drinking yet. The year isn't over, they have 18 days left to do something else really stupid
Those are good numbers for the PS3 COD and Assassin's creed, showing that PS3 versions of cross-platform games are worth the extra effort. It's not going to convince anyone to make PS3 exclusives for the US market though.
The PS3 is doing well outside the US if you believe VGChartz -- they have it selling about as many units as the 360 worldwide, beating the 360 in Japan and "Other"-land.
Competition keeps MS honest, so I'm rooting for the PS3 as the underdog even though I'm not convinced that its Sony masters have given up the binge drinking yet. The year isn't over, they have 18 days left to do something else really stupid
Numbers will go up the closer we get to Christmas and parents are buying for their kids. The difference between a game like that and COD4 is the people who play COD4 are mature gamers and have the means to go out and get the game themselves. I'd say more than half of the people who are in the market for COD4 already have it. SMG players are mostly kids who are waiting to get it for Christmas.
Since Nintendo is marketing the Wii to non traditional gamers (as well as traditional gamers), you're basically saying that their strategy is succeeding. With all those non-gamers owning the Wii, 1 out of 10 is a pretty damn good attachment rate for the first three weeks of sales.
I'd be willing to be that you are waaaay off on this statement.
blurredvision
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- Oct 19, 2000
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I agree with purbeast that the Wii will go the way of the GC and N64, the only difference is that a lot more units will be sold. I firmly believe that no matter how many people buy Wii's, the attach rate will still be abysmal, because the typical non-gamers who are snatching up this system will not be buying games all the time. I mean, if they didn't have Mario, and not including Wii Play (which I still contend should not be considered on ANY software sales list), the only other thing is the mass market GH3. The fact that Mario, GH3, and a 10-minute collection of mini-games shows what kind of market buys the Wii.
But again, I think the Wii will tread in the territory of only first-party games being the shining light every year, everything else will go by the wayside for the Wii. Plus, I think that once this Wii craze dies down and every mom and pop figures out that they don't need to buy one because of hype, sales will plummet tremendously, going below even that of the PS3 sales. I'm almost willing to stake money that this will happen by this time next year.
On a side note, I like how Nintendo claims they've been at max production the whole time, selling right above 500k units every month, then all of a sudden they pull an extra 450k of them out of their ass just in time for the holiday season. If they are really throttling inventory on purpose, kudos to them, it's working perfectly to their advantage right now.
But again, I think the Wii will tread in the territory of only first-party games being the shining light every year, everything else will go by the wayside for the Wii. Plus, I think that once this Wii craze dies down and every mom and pop figures out that they don't need to buy one because of hype, sales will plummet tremendously, going below even that of the PS3 sales. I'm almost willing to stake money that this will happen by this time next year.
On a side note, I like how Nintendo claims they've been at max production the whole time, selling right above 500k units every month, then all of a sudden they pull an extra 450k of them out of their ass just in time for the holiday season. If they are really throttling inventory on purpose, kudos to them, it's working perfectly to their advantage right now.
For one of the only real games on the market for the Wii, 1 in 10 is terrible. It's not like the 360 where you have multiple games that are fairly good even within the same genre. How many "gamer" games are there out for the Wii? Less than a dozen? And for 3 weeks and it being one of those games, it should have better sales.
If people aren't going to buy the games, nobody is going to give it exclusives. At best there will be ports, with there being less incentive with lower sales. Should they really bother porting over a game when even a Mario game has trouble selling?
Smash Brothers is going to be an important marker for the Wii. If that doesn't sell, then the console is in serious trouble.
Slew Foot
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SMG is the type of game that will sell well for a long time. Games like Halo 3 and COD4 will sell well for a month and then the next great FPS comes along and everyone forgets about it. It's the fastest selling mario game in history so far and the original ended up selling 40+ million copies or something. I dont think itll reach that high, but itll acheive numbers in time, not right away. The Wii probably will have lower overall attachment numbers but will likely have a larger base to draw from.
- Aug 23, 2003
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Two things you are forgetting:
1) Non-gamers buy non-gamer-games.
2) With the installed base of the Wii projected to be much, much higher than the X360 and PS3, it can get away with a far lower attach rate and still move lots of software units.
The 1.112 million for Mario is just sales in the US, so the percentage of Wii owners who bought SMG is comparable to the percentage of 360 owners who bought COD4 (15.3% for SMG vs 16.1% for COD4).
I think the games for the Wii will improve a great deal with time, as developers work on actual quality games and not just some trash they rushed out in order to capitalize on the market when they realized the Wii would be so popular.
1) Then there will be no point in bringing over gamer games to the Wii. It'd be much more profitable just to develop non-gamer games for the Wii and not port gamer games over.
2) If gamer games aren't released, gamers aren't going to waste their money on the system. Nintendo will have to rely on non-gamers buying the system while gamers continue to purchase the 360 and possibly the PS3.
Eh. Halo 1 kept on selling throughout the Xbox's life cycle quite well. Took years to go down from $30. I'm not sure if Halo 3 will do the same, but I'm willing to bet COD4 will be close.
purbeast0
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1. non gamers don't buy near as many games as gamers do. this has clearly been shown by the attach rate of the nintendo wii.
2. again the installed base doesn't really matter if not many people are buying games, no matter how many units are being sold. sure some first/second games will come out, but if those games aren't selling very well then the 3rd/4th gen games that devs would be making probably won't be made.
the upside to the wii is that the development cost for it are not that much so i believe thats why you are seeing a ton of shovelware coming out because it's not nearly as much of a risk as it would be to put out crap on the PS3 or Xbox360.
also as blurred pointed out, it makes no sense how all of a sudden nintendo has almost 500k more units for sale this past month JUST in time for the holiday. i still believe that this is an artificial drought of the nintendo wii brought on by nintendo to keep this unit as the "hot item" for as long as possible. nintendo is making a profit on every wii that is shipped so they want to sell as many of those as possible and put more money in their pocket.
I do hope quality games do come out for the wii. The only reason I bought one (just recently) is because my daughter wants one for Christmas. I've been perusing the titles on the shelf and reading the reviews for wii games and there the selection I would be interested is tiny. Maybe the earlier comments are correct - that game makers didn't think wii would sell well so they didn't offer anything serious. Now that sales have remained strong for over a year now, some good titles will get released.
The shortage of Wii's is completely intentional. It's hard to believe a company of that size and caliber can't manufacture/crank out enough units. It really is ingenius on their part though.
In regards to the list - surprising that the PS2 outsold the PS3. And COD4 is just blowing everything away...that's pretty amazing.
PricklyPete
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- Sep 17, 2002
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My niece and nephew have a Wii and 360. The only games that they own on the Wii are Sports and Play. They own about 10+ 360 games.
I know a number of "adult" friends who own Wii's and only one of them has bought more than the Spots and Play. People get enamored with the first time they play Wii sports...and then they get their own Wii...and their enthusiasm quickly goes away unless other people are around to play with them. I don't ever see the attach rate for the Wii being all that great....at least from my personal experience (which I understand is limited).
I'll stick with my 360. If games start coming out for the Wii that really interest me..I'll think about purchasing one.
I know a number of "adult" friends who own Wii's and only one of them has bought more than the Spots and Play. People get enamored with the first time they play Wii sports...and then they get their own Wii...and their enthusiasm quickly goes away unless other people are around to play with them. I don't ever see the attach rate for the Wii being all that great....at least from my personal experience (which I understand is limited).
I'll stick with my 360. If games start coming out for the Wii that really interest me..I'll think about purchasing one.
purbeast0
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i can't really say i'm not that surprised, especially about uncharted.
while the game kicks MAJOR ass, it is hardly advertised anywhere. i don't even think I would have known about it if I didn't always look at game stuff online. i heard there is commercials out for it but i have yet to see it myself, and I watch a lot of TV
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