Originally posted by: wiin
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: zendari
Wonder if these are the people who predicted Kerry in 04.
Very long odds for Kerry to unseat an incumbent President with high favorables versus not too bad unfavorables. In November the President's unfavorables will really hurt the Elephant..
I should add... Kerry won!
I should add... Gore won!
It was America that lost...
Ok... I'm familliar with the sentiment toward Gore... But where did this "Kerry won!" stuff come from?
Both Gore and Kerry lost their races against Bush. Gore's was via Supreme court decisions and Harris.... But Kerry.... He won... his running mate lost.. Unfortunately they vote for the pair...
edit: Kerry and just about anyone else may have pulled off the win... least ways imo..
Bush won the election in 2000 even after several recount. All the Supreme Court did was put a stop to the democrats shenanigan.
They put a stop to the count you mean... the count that you assert would have gone to Bush and that I assert would have gone to Gore..
There were other issues at stake aside from continuing the count and they were the manner of the count itself and the ballots that disenfranchised voters by the thousands..
If you've not read the US Commission on Civil Rights report on the 2000 election anomalies I'd suggest you do.. and if that don't convince you of the magnitude of issues well then I guess we just have to move on to 2006 as is the case anyhow..
Mary Francis Berry was the Chair but she is a pretty straight shooter in my opinion
Pursuant to its authority, and fulfilling its obligations, members of the Commission staff conducted a preliminary investigation and discovered widespread allegations of voter disenfranchisement in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. The Commissioners voted unanimously to conduct an extensive public investigation into these allegations of voting irregularities. Toward that end, the Commission held three days of hearings in Miami and Tallahassee and, using its subpoena powers, collected more than 30 hours of testimony from more than 100 witnesses?all taken under oath?and reviewed more than 118,000 pages of pertinent documents."
" The disenfranchisement of Florida?s voters fell most harshly on the shoulders of black voters. The magnitude of the impact can be seen from any of several perspectives:
Statewide, based upon county-level statistical estimates, black voters were nearly 10 times more likely than nonblack voters to have their ballots rejected.
Estimates indicate that approximately 14.4 percent of Florida?s black voters cast ballots that were rejected. This compares with approximately 1.6 percent of nonblack Florida voters who did not have their presidential votes counted.
Statistical analysis shows that the disparity in ballot spoilage rates?i.e., ballots cast but not counted?between black and nonblack voters is not the result of education or literacy differences. This conclusion is supported by Governor Jeb Bush?s Select Task Force on Election Procedures, Standards and Technology, which found that error rates stemming from uneducated, uninformed, or disinterested voters account for less than 1 percent of the problems.
Approximately 11 percent of Florida voters were African American; however, African Americans cast about 54 percent of the 180,000 spoiled ballots in Florida during the November 2000 election based on estimates derived from county-level data. These statewide estimates were corroborated by the results in several counties based on actual precinct data.
Poor counties, particularly those with large minority populations, were more likely to possess voting systems with higher spoilage rates than the more affluent counties with significant white populations. There is a high correlation between counties and precincts with a high percentage of African American voters and the percentage of spoiled ballots. For example:
Nine of the 10 counties with the highest percentage of African American voters had spoilage rates above the Florida average.
Of the 10 counties with the highest percentage of white voters, only two counties had spoilage rates above the state average.
Gadsden County, with the highest rate of spoiled ballots, also had the highest percentage of African American voters.
Where precinct data were available, the data show that 83 of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of spoiled ballots are black-majority precincts. "
One might also like to know that generally minority and other non white voters vote liberal.... or for Gore in 2000.
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