No but one who brags on an internet forum because he has no waiting period and posts pictures of the damn thing?
Not my idea of balanced.
No but one who brags on an internet forum because he has no waiting period and posts pictures of the damn thing?
Not my idea of balanced.
shortylickens
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Can I assume FTW means for the win?
If so your ignorance (and the ignorance of a big chunk of America) is why the crime problems arent improving.
EVERY SINGLE TIME they ban guns crime goes up, NOT down.
Do you know why?
Didnt think so.
waggy
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no you are a nut because of what you do with sheep!
to be honest i think having a cop who is familar and conterbale with guns is good. They also are willing to talk to newbs (such as me) and give advice etc. Instead of saying that civilians should not own them.
so :beer: to them. but not w hen playing with the guns eh?
Lol you can quote you lovely NRA sponsered studies saying that and I can't point to others saying the exact opposite.
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Or you can just look at statistical studies of crime in Texas and Britain and actually see what happens when guns are banned vs. concealed carry. And those are government sponsered studies.
shortylickens
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You are correct.
The function of a gun is to facillitate one human exterminating another. If we didnt want to kill each other we could get by with BB's or video games.
Please realize that whenever you ban guns and/or take them away, things do not get better. There are many theoretical and practical reasons for this. We have already discussed it many times on AT. If you dont believe it do some google news searches.
Evaluate for yourself.
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
whats you job?
He's a cop you eediot.
fixed.
Ok I am done here, not point in getting into any sort of meaningful debate with hand gun nutjobs, all you do is resort to silly insults instead of actually supporting your argument.
You are right about one thing, you are done here, but not for the reasons you think. You have nothing but emotions in your bag because the data and truth do not back up your feelings on this issue. Why don't you simply state you don't like guns and leave it at that instead of trying to rationalize your feelings with BS? People wouldn't jump your case if you approached it that way.
LMAO!! Says the guy who said, and I quote,
That's a silly insult and an unsupported argument. You invalidated yourself immediately with your close-minded ignorance and stereotypes. Troll.
Well here you go if you want it so bad.
For every time a gun in the home is used in a self-defense homicide, a gun will be used in?
* 1.3 unintentional deaths
* 4.6 criminal homicides
* 37 suicides22
In 1997 there were 15,690 homicides.
* Of these, 8,503 were committed with handguns.
* Among handgun homicides, only 193 (2.3 percent) were classified as justifiable homicides by civilians.23
For every time in 1997 that a civilian used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 43 people lost their lives in handgun homicides alone.
Citing:
22) Kellermann, AL and Reay, DT. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm-Related Deaths in the Home." NEJM 314:24 (1986):1557-1560.
23) FBI Supplementary Homicide Report data, 1997.
24) FBI Supplementary Homicide Report data, 1997.
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That has little meaning. Most people who legally own and enjoy firearms NEVER use them on another person whether intentional or accidental....and by most I mean 99.99999% You fail to equate legal guns to illegal acts. Most crimes comitted using a gun are done so with an illegaly obtained one which means taking the guns from law abiding citizens has no impact on your statistics except to prove the pro gun people's points. Suicides? So people are going to stop killing themselves because they don't have a gun? Are you that stupid? You are the perfect taget for the statistics the liberal gun grabbers spew because you believe the picture they are trying to paint without ever using any critical thinking or reasoning skills.
shortylickens
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OK, now you got some respect. :thumbsup: Excellent statistics. I can appreciate them.
What the gun-grabbers fail to understand is that passing laws against guns does NOT improve those numbers. It makes them worse. Only legitimate people will give up their guns in accordance with the law. A murderer or robber doesnt give a rats-butt about firearms laws. Because, lets face it, they're CRIMINALS.
All the laws do is disarm honest citizens. Who werent going to commit crimes anyway. England and Australia are learning these lessons the hard way. In practice, it does NOT help. I've heard tons of theory and rhetoric as to why it should lower crime, but in the real world it doesnt happen. Sad, but true.
And yes, I've acknowledge that this says something very bad about our society as a whole. It would be much better if we lived in a world where we simply didnt need guns. But we're not there yet, and banning them now doesnt make things better.
Get some statistics of guns that were obtained legally, those are the statistics hes asking for.
These statistics are for all guns legal and illegal, my point is I AM providing statistics all the pro gun guys are doing is stating opinions with no reliable data backing it up.
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