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Beats headphones. Holy crap. Most headphones over $150 should not be able to be driven from a smartphone amplifier. For them to make $300 headphones that "don't" need to be driven by an amp is proof that they are crap.

Oh, and I tried them on at Best Buy. $200 pair. They sound worse than I thought was possible. They are literally worth about $30.
 
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Honda vs Toyota

Honda is a tinybit better but why people pay $3K for a "little better" is beyond me.

Oh, I want a Honda Pilot. But I have a hard time swallowing that i want it.
 
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Ferrari or Lambo, can't remember which one but the one that requires a transmission overhaul every 20,000 miles. Also the Ferrari 599 for having a timing belt instead of the more reliable timing chain. Such high end cars, such low reliability. Is there any excuse? They do sound and look great I'll give them that. But there are other cars that sound and look great and are fast with much better reliability for example Corvette, Dodge Viper, etc. I won't list them all. So I ask again, is there any excuse for the poor reliability in some high end makes and models?

I remember reading how poor some of the 80s Ferraris were, needing complete engine overhauls every 10k miles or something (although not sure if that's really true or not, cars in general mostly sucked in the 70s and 80s).

bose are not garbage, but they are a complicated company.

first, they make military and professional hardware; their aviation noise-cancelling headphones are astounding.. at a price.

their directional-sound-based, reflecting no-speaker tv is a very nice piece of engineering, and some of their high end speakers are excellent, BUT overpriced.

their consumer level stuff is between shit and decent, but always overpriced because see above - they are an expensive brand, and they overcharge because they have a name.

tbh i like the pride they take in their brand .. i still wouldn't buy one of their products, because they are pro-level priced, but "luxury-consumer" built.

Yeah they do a lot more than audio and that's a very different nature. Their consumer stuff is pretty meh and largely overpriced.

Their speakers are not very good, they basically made their name with their 901s or whatever that they made back in like the 70s (which kicked off their "let's bounce sound off the walls craze that dominates their stuff now). Even those are kinda overrated and their surround systems are garbage. Plus their stuff that bounces sound now aren't good either, it's just that people act amazed at sound working like that.

Their consumer headphones are...well they're the best noise cancelling ones you can buy, but the build quality isn't great (there's one model that has a really cheap small plastic headband that's very prone to breaking, and basically the cost is to subsidize replacements which they're fairly generous about supposedly) and the sound quality is just passable for when you need noise cancellation or mediocre otherwise. But the comfort and noise cancellation make them pretty good for planes and other noisy environments.

Beats headphones. Holy crap. Most headphones over $150 should not be able to be driven from a smartphone amplifier. For them to make $300 headphones that "don't" need to be driven by an amp is proof that they are crap.

Oh, and I tried them on at Best Buy. $200 pair. They sound worse than I thought was possible. They are literally worth about $30.

It's not difficult to make a very efficient but still good sounding headphone that a smartphone or quality portable player could drive plenty well. I don't think they market anything about them not needing amps so don't even know what you're going on about there. In fact, depending on the model they actually have amps in them (I believe the main Beats headphones they started with required batteries as it actually runs through an amp circuit, that's also used for noise cancellation). These days the need for dedicated headphone amps is less than ever really, although there's still a lot that really need one to shine (and all will generally improve some). Well there's some that you'd pretty much need but those are stuff like electrostats or orthos that aren't really widely popular. Point is there's plenty of headphones that sound decent right out of players/smartphones. Quite a few are priced right in line with Beats too.

That's not to say Beats are good quality, they're mostly not, but have improved quite a bit in the past year or two (although I think that's less due to anything they actively did and more that the cheap headphone drivers improved across the board). Their IEMs weren't too bad other than a massive sub-bass tilt (I actually liked the Turbines I had several years back, they made portable play good as you didn't need a perfect seal to get good amounts of bass for pretty much every genre, and it was sub bass so it didn't muddle the mids too much, and because they were BA based ones they were fairly detailed and speedy too, wish I still had them actually).
 

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i am sure everyone would agree with me

MONSTER cables...... the first time i found out that these are for people who do not understand what hdmi is or any other product they are selling. i was very upset, still am. i should go buy myself a chipotle to feel better :)
 

edro

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Honda vs Toyota
Honda is a tinybit better but why people pay $3K for a "little better" is beyond me.
Oh, I want a Honda Pilot. But I have a hard time swallowing that i want it.
wat?
Are you saying a $3k upgrade from Toyota to Honda isn't worth it?
$3k on a new car should not sway you one way or the other.

That's like saying, "Levis are 10% more than Wranglers, I can't understand why people pay the premium!"
Maybe it's because 10% isn't much of a premium if you like the style, quality, track record or name brand.

My point is 10% (3k on a 30k car) isn't really enough to sway my opinion on a purchase, at any level. (car, house, potato chips, etc)
 

SearchMaster

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All Things Apple.

KT

I'm not an Apple fanboi, but I do have an iPhone and MacBook Pro (necessary for the work I do). I like my Android tablet better than the iPad for the money, except that the battery life is ridiculously better on the iPad - it's a very cheap Android tablet. My wife absolutely refused to have an iPhone for years and years, but her Android phone caused her so much anguish that she finally traded it for an iPhone and is happy now. I like my MBP better than any Windows laptop I've owned, mostly for the software but the hardware is quality too. I'd always previously bought very cheap Windows lappies though.

There are things about Apple that piss me off almost daily but I do recognize that their software is generally quite good and the hardware is at least comparable quality to other devices of a similar cost. I just don't get the Apple hate any more than I get Microsoft, Android, etc. hate. None of them is demonstrably superior or inferior at any given thing including cost...just different.
 

MetalMat

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Beats headphones, monster cables.

My apartment is also not worth the amount of money I pay in rent.
 

luv2liv

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kranky

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Greeting cards, but I have to accept it is a social contract to use them regardless. But from a "not worth the money" standpoint, they are way up the list IMHO.
 

evident

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The purpose of Tag Heuer is that they are waterproof down to 300m and thus you can go scuba diving with them.

I got one as a gift. It is admittedly kind of meh. Back when my parents were blowing tons of money.


many better brands than tag if you want a dive watch. seiko, omega, etc...
 

McLovin

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Beats by Dr. Dre

Beats headphones. Holy crap. Most headphones over $150 should not be able to be driven from a smartphone amplifier. For them to make $300 headphones that "don't" need to be driven by an amp is proof that they are crap.

Oh, and I tried them on at Best Buy. $200 pair. They sound worse than I thought was possible. They are literally worth about $30.

A.k.a Apple

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/05/28Apple-to-Acquire-Beats-Music-Beats-Electronics.html

and to add fuel to that fire

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/t...lebrities-over-sound.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
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IronWing

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wat?
Are you saying a $3k upgrade from Toyota to Honda isn't worth it?
$3k on a new car should not sway you one way or the other.

That's like saying, "Levis are 10% more than Wranglers, I can't understand why people pay the premium!"
Maybe it's because 10% isn't much of a premium if you like the style, quality, track record or name brand.

My point is 10% (3k on a 30k car) isn't really enough to sway my opinion on a purchase, at any level. (car, house, potato chips, etc)
$3k is still $3k. It would definitely sway my opinion on a car purchase.
 

Linux23

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i am sure everyone would agree with me

MONSTER cables...... the first time i found out that these are for people who do not understand what hdmi is or any other product they are selling. i was very upset, still am. i should go buy myself a chipotle to feel better :)

you want to feel better, not worse :p
 

BurnItDwn

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Joining in the anti apple group here. I have hated apple a long time. I tried to like them, I bought once a used macintosh laptop and ran yellowdog on it, it was a neat toy with 24mb of ram, and a PPC 166mhz CPU, but, I really hated Mac OS 8. So I Installed Yellowdog. Anyhow, I gave it to a friend who liked Apples back when I got a 450mhz used Sony laptop. The Sony was a few years newer, so less unmodern, but, it was a much btter laptop overall. I really liked that thing. Laptops made since then, have always sort of had a cheap feel and look to them.
 

rh71

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have an ipad original and ipad mini 2 in the house and the only reason they are better than the android counterparts we have is the battery life. I swear that's the only thing. I also hate the fact that some apps are free on Android while the iOS version is not. Everyone milking the apple fanboys! ;)
 
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