Not the ACORN I knew...

[shira]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Ballatician

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Ballatician
Someone explain to me how those fake voter registrations will actually affect the election? It's not like a non-existent person can actually cast a ballot.

The vast majority of these fake voter registrations never get a ballot to cast anyway. Elections officials tend to do pretty good due diligence in cleaning out the voter rolls. If they didn't, we wouldn't even know about this issue, now would we?

Which is why this topic is useless.

Yeah, discussing and pointing out voter fraud is "useless". :roll:

No, it's voter registration fraud. There's a difference. Other than the one example you cited, which seems more a product of his own intent to defraud the system vs. ACORN's intent. I mean the one example you cite doesn't seem to have any connection to ACORN

But still, he breezed into Ohio election offices - the state allows early voting for president - reregistered with a fake address and cast a paper ballot, officials said.

So he breezed in on his own? Or did he have an ACORN escort? :laugh:

Obama drove him to the office personally.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: aphex
CAD: Just curious, were you this up in arms when the Diebold CEO made the statement that he would deliver the election to Bush? Or when voting machines in FL counted negative votes for a candidate?

Go look up those threads.

This one is about ACORN and it's voter fraud.

You can't take one without the other, its all about the voting process and how effective it is at reflecting the truth.

Again, go look up the threads.

This one however is specifically about ACORN and it's fraud.

Yes, I agree that this thread is about ACORN and this thread is fraud.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
READ MY POST. Is your head really that far up BHO's ass that you can't even read my reply to your question? Sheesh.

He's a classic case of a person who has acquired a lot of information but doent have the insight to make sense of it properly. Mis-education is worse than ignorance.

Sounds like you've just written your autobiography.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
But if you want more - he was a lawyer for them?

He was a lawyer for them? In a lawsuit in 1995 - joined by the Justice Department - against the state of Illinois. For refusing to accept mass registrations of minority voters? That ACORN/Obama/Justice WON!!!???

My God! The U.S. Justice Department is a terrorist organization!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Tough to see with those blinders on?

"There are atleast 800 thousand reasons why BHO's associations are more serious." <- reference to his campaign's payment for "staging, sound, lighting." to an "affiliate" that was actually for a get out the vote(BHO's camp originally lied) - which is.... surprise....what acorn also does...

But if you want more - he was a lawyer for them? Boy...that's equal to being at a amnesty rally that was co-sponsored by ACORN. Need more? BHO's "truth" site lies?

If you can't see the difference(from the first reference) then there is no point in even talking with you on this subject.... I've included the other 2 as a bonus, in hopes you snap out of your delusions....

Uh huh... and what about that involvement is MORE SERIOUS than McCain's?

Taking on a legitimate legal case and helping "get out the vote" are not illegal activities, last I checked. Do you have any evidence that any illegal or untoward took place? Nor is ACORN an illegal organization, despite some its recent publicized troubles. Or are you saying it is? Then perhaps it is you who are the joke with delusions? Or maybe you're just -- as usual -- regurgitating the latest RNC talking points without a shred of understanding? Yeah, I'd say so.

No one said representing them was illegal. Where the hell are you getting these things? No one has stated that BHO was involved directly in ACORN's fraud so stop with the strawman BS.

F'n apologists...

So if representing them was legal, and no one is making any allegation of BHO having anything to do with any possible fraud by ACORN, why does this thread exist?

Are you saying that in 1995 he should have been psychic and known that there would be fraud allegations against ACORN in 2008 and refused to represent them in the 1995 lawsuit?

Just what are you saying?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hey if after the election if it can be proved that fraud due to ACORN was the reason Obama won I believe that a recall should be taken and if it turns out McCain would have won he should be given the nod.

What do the results have to do with this? Shouldn't these fraudulent activities be exposed and stopped regardless? Obviously ACORN can't/won't do it on their own despite their claims.

Isn't that what's happening now?

Is it being stopped? Seems to me ACORN and it's apologists are trying to dismiss the whole thing.

I still don't know what "the whole thing" is. I've heard allegations of fraudulent registration cards, but have no idea what the extent of the problem is. It sounds like ACORN itself segregates the registration cards it receives into "not questionable" and "questionable" piles and turns those over - it doesn't have to latitude to NOT turn over "questionable" cards.

I've also read a statement by a state's attorney general in one of your own posts that the fraud was committed by canvassers trying to increase their paychecks, and had nothing to do with ACORN as a whole.

And it may well be that this sort of issue is unavoidable for turn-out-the-vote drives in poor communities, given the lack of education/understanding of issues by those hired to do the work (who themselves are from the community). If this is true, what's the alternative? DON'T attempt to increase registration of the poor?

Yeah, I'll bet the right would LOVE that solution.

 

[dbk]

I don't hear anything about ACORN in the media except for Fox News - it's #1 story on every broadcast. Those damn elite liberal media!! :|

 

[Insomniator]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
READ MY POST. Is your head really that far up BHO's ass that you can't even read my reply to your question? Sheesh.

He's a classic case of a person who has acquired a lot of information but doent have the insight to make sense of it properly. Mis-education is worse than ignorance.

Sounds like you've just written your autobiography.

at least he actually wrote it

zing

 

[SP33Demon]

You guys are all just f'n ACORN apologists, did you know that? ACORN is committing systematic fraud and I WANT JUSTICE NOW! SOMEONE STOP THIS JUGGERNAUT OF EPICALLY EVIL PROPORTIONS! THEY WILL RUIN AMERICA YOU'LL SEE.

This is Cad btw, I hacked SP33's account.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
You guys are all just f'n ACORN apologists, did you know that? ACORN is committing systematic fraud and I WANT JUSTICE NOW! SOMEONE STOP THIS JUGGERNAUT OF EPICALLY EVIL PROPORTIONS! THEY WILL RUIN AMERICA YOU'LL SEE.

This is Cad btw, I hacked SP33's account.

:laugh:


Good try, but there :roll: aren't nearly :thumbsdown: enough :laugh: emoticons.

 

[Budmantom]

Acorn is Barrack Hussein Obama and Barrack Hussein Obama is Acorn.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Can someone who is railing against ACORN please explain how many of these alleged infractions have actually been shown to equate into a single case of voter fraud?

There are some examples of voter REGISTRATION fraud that have been proven, but I don't recall seeing a single instance of any of the alleged, fake registers trying to actually vote.

It might seem like I am splitting hairs here, but to me it is about the equivalent of hacking an email account vs. hacking into a bank's network. Sure they are both illegal, but to equate the two is pure stupidity and/or hyperbole.

Thanks in advance.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Good god there is nothing funnier than seeing CAD get owned all over the place.

Usual hit and run tactics by him after he gets exposed for the fool he is.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Again, it's not just a "few bad individuals" when this is happening in state after state and county after county. It's bad management and/or systemic fraud.

There is a huge difference between bad management and systematic fraud. While I believe ACORN has been fined for the former, they've NEVER been charged with the latter. Even in the article you linked to, the election board officials clearly stated there was no voter fraud.

"Still, members of the bipartisan board downplayed any voter fraud."

It's obviously not rigorous enough if this keeps happening time after time. I read their standards and it's laughable to think they try to verify questionable ones...that have phone numbers. uhh.. don't put a phone number on the fake ones?

What else can they do? And do you recall that it is not ACORN's job to verify the registrations, it's the government's job? Or are you refuting that somehow?

My problem with ACORN's fraud isn't necessarily that they are a fringe leftist group - any group that is commiting fraud on this large of scale should be looked into and shut down if they can't police themselves well enough to stop the fraud.

And yet, ACORN itself is not committing fraud, it's a few of the canvassers that work for them. It's like claiming Wal-Mart is committing theft, when a few of its employees go next door to the supermarket and shoplift some cheetos.

Yes, I see exactly where you are and have been going with this. It's the same old thing ACORN and it's apologists have been trying to claim. It's nothing new, and nothing substantial. ACORN isn't the victim of some rogue individuals -they are the victim of their own poor management/training and/or corrupt infrastructure.

And you're playing the same old stupid insinuation game that the GOP has been playing ever since W got into office in 2001. And yet, the accusations NEVER stick. ACORN never gets charged with anything. It's going nowhere now the exact same way it's gone nowhere before. They've been investigated by every US State Attorney from coast-to-coast and every lawyer that the GOP can throw at them, and hmmmm .... no charges?

As you would say, that dog don't hunt.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Can someone who is railing against ACORN please explain how many of these alleged infractions have actually been shown to equate into a single case of voter fraud?

There are some examples of voter REGISTRATION fraud that have been proven, but I don't recall seeing a single instance of any of the alleged, fake registers trying to actually vote.

It might seem like I am splitting hairs here, but to me it is about the equivalent of hacking an email account vs. hacking into a bank's network. Sure they are both illegal, but to equate the two is pure stupidity and/or hyperbole.

Thanks in advance.

First step to voter fraud is registration fraud.

Yes.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Can someone who is railing against ACORN please explain how many of these alleged infractions have actually been shown to equate into a single case of voter fraud?

There are some examples of voter REGISTRATION fraud that have been proven, but I don't recall seeing a single instance of any of the alleged, fake registers trying to actually vote.

It might seem like I am splitting hairs here, but to me it is about the equivalent of hacking an email account vs. hacking into a bank's network. Sure they are both illegal, but to equate the two is pure stupidity and/or hyperbole.

Thanks in advance.

First step to voter fraud is registration fraud.

Yes.

The first step to a logical fallacy is the slippery slope argument.

Yup.