not sure if this is the right place but - intels future?

[VirtualLarry]

I'm waiting for yahoo.com to get hold of this idea and they will start extorting offering a service in which you have to pay $25/yr if you want your anti-spam features to work. Otherwise they intentionally spam-bomb your inbox since you didn't opt-out of that new feature.

Netzero has "sponsored" emails that show up in your inbox every week.

 

[tommo123]

hmm, when i bought my laptop i chose the no OS option. saved some money.

small time pc builders for the win 🙂

 

[happysmiles]

bloatware is the number 1 reason for slow performance.

Win 8 has a clean-slate option but I rather it be self-maintaining.

Every time I buy a PC I immediately format or uninstall all bloatware.

 

[Cerb]

Rant mode: on, but weak and flickering.

bloatware is the number 1 reason for slow performance.

But you need to know about updates and upgrades, and half of every application resident so it can start faster! Oh, and you need more aggressive defragmentation, and optimized file relocation, and registry optimization, and real-time scanning of files that haven't changed in years, and...

I'm trying to recover a machine now (recover expensive software installations, more accurately), with Norton 360 on it, and even disabling every bit of it I could, it keeps the HDD thrashing. It suffered death not by hardware, but by part of the registry being FUBAR (1st time I've seen that since Win9x!). Of course after a repair install, which I'm still trying to unbreak, it's slow as death. The HDD thrashes for minutes at a time, with <30s pauses in between. Now, I just got it booting this morning, and the service host containing Norton's scanning service (at first I wanted to make sure it wasn't a sign of impending doom, or 'dangerous' malware) had, as of a couple hours ago, had read over 127GB.

Now, can you think a scenario in which a program that did extra defragging and registry optimizing (what are they, even?), which performed background scans at a rate of more than weekly, and which adds many IOs per user IO, even with all of it apparently disabled, might be able to cause corrupt the registry files bad enough that the system registry hive files would be gone, at least by the time I got around to seeing it (I'm guessing a boot-time chkdsk ate them)? Yeah, I'm drawing a blank, too. :whiste:

(BTW, yes, there are reasons I haven't simply uninstalled it; and, yes, I will be recommending replacement programs).

 

[tommo123]

i'd just image it, mount it on another drive to access data and reinstall windows on the original drive.

people install random crap and ask me to fix their pc get a quick/clean install. they always forget to ask for me to save their data. oddly, this doens't stop them from screwing up their installs

 

[Cerb]

i'd just image it, mount it on another drive to access data and reinstall windows on the original drive.

Making an image was my very first step, but a clean install would defeat the whole purpose, which is to maintain access to software installed, which does not appear to be supported by any key extractors I could find. The packaging, and thus key, are long lost, and may have been left behind on another continent. I kind of got the impression that a certain someone was going to be in the doghouse over it; doubly so if they end up needing to buy it over again.

But what really gets me is how needlessly slow it is, and that the hardware appears perfectly fine, as if maybe it got shut down while writing, because the bloatware was working the drive too much, and some very important sectors got corrupted.

 

[cbn]

sidestepping the intel vs arm thing on the mobile stage for a moment and just focusing on the desktop/laptop side.

someone on here (maybe IDC) said that intel isn't really a cpu company. they're a monstrosity of a foundry that just happens to design cpus to be able to keep the foundries going.

with intels biggest (IMO) competitor being themselves a year earlier, how are they going to get people to buy new PCs since for most people a core2duo from 2006 will still do them quite nicely. anyone think intel will expand into the software side of things in a meaningful way? i mean make software that can take advantage of their hardware to get people to upgrade to something new a year later?

if they rely on hardware alone then we're already well past the point of "good enough" for the vast majority of people right? 😱

Are you referring to services? Because that has made the News before:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2232432&highlight=

However, these days I am very concerned this type of move could introduce all kinds of "conflict of interest" and "power struggles" within the company.

I think Intel should stay pure to its original mission and focusing primarily on hardware features. I think they would be more efficient this way.

 

[2is]

I haven't had an appreciable slowdown in my systems since moving to a SSD and i've got well over 100 processes on startup. I love these things.

 

[Idontcare]

I haven't had an appreciable slowdown in my systems since moving to a SSD and i've got well over 100 processes on startup. I love these things.

SSD's are magical like that, I agree. I put them in everything now.

In fact I will cut back on the ram and CPU speed that I am buying before I will cut back on the SSD if the build budget gets tight.

What is the point in having 16GB of ram or a >3GHz quad-core CPU if it chokes and hangs while disk thrashing is going on?

The silly thing is that I'm pretty sure it didn't have to be like this, had Microsoft written a decent OS that avoided touching the disk drive as much as possible and actually used that super-fast ram in a reasonable way to mask the latency of random 4k IOPs to a disk drive then the whole SSD market would have never had a niche to fill in the first place.

You know what wasn't a problem on my 486 computer using Windows 3.11? The random 4k IOPs of my hard-drive.

But fast forward 20 yrs and leave it to microsoft to find a way to make the end-user's computing experience critically dependent on the slowest component in the system :\ And so SSD's enter stage right.

Kinda the exact opposite of what the CPU guys did where they invested resources into their cache designs and prefetchers such that now it almost doesn't matter whether I use DDR2-800 or DDR3-2133 ram with my 3770k, the performance I experience will be pretty much the same.

 

[Cerb]

But fast forward 20 yrs and leave it to microsoft to find a way to make the end-user's computing experience critically dependent on the slowest component in the system :\ And so SSD's enter stage right.

Kinda the exact opposite of what the CPU guys did where they invested resources into their cache designs and prefetchers such that now it almost doesn't matter whether I use DDR2-800 or DDR3-2133 ram with my 3770k, the performance I experience will be pretty much the same.

It's everyone's software, though; MS isn't special, just popular. Windows is a little worse, but the same is true elsewhere. And, to MS' credit, they attempt to perform prefetching, which I dob't think any other reasonably available x86 OS does.