Not supposed to give honey to children under 1 years old? Why?

[gotsmack]

It says on the side of the bottle of honey that you are not supposed to give it to children under the age of 1.

Why and what happens if you do?

My mom said she used to give it to me all the time before she found out:frown:

 

[freebee]

Its either they can't digest it properly or it has some sort of response due to their relatively weak immune systems.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Might choke on it?

But then again, if a kid is that dumb/parents are that careless (to give them pure honey?), I'd say Darwin's come through for us . . ..

 

[HappyPuppy]

Honey is toxic to children under the age of 1. Don't ask me why, but I just asked my wife and she confirmed it.

If you have young children perhaps you should ask your pediatrician.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: Jehovah
Might choke on it?

But then again, if a kid is that dumb/parents are that careless (to give them pure honey?), I'd say Darwin's come through for us . . ..

I don't know if it's darwin award worthy.. I mean, I didn't know that nor do I think it's painfully obviously (feeding a 1 year old spare ribs is one thing but honey seems innocent enough)

 

[Pilsnerpete]

readme.txt about honey.

 

[dude]

It turns babies into Gremlins. Baaaaad!

 

[Swag1138]

Originally posted by: dude
It turns babies into Gremlins. Baaaaad!

Mogwai?

 

[RIGorous1]

Originally posted by: Pilsnerpete
readme.txt about honey.

Great text... but this seems contradictory:

It has been filtered, and in some cases, heated to kill any bacteria that might be contained therein. Heating the honey is what renders it unhealthy for adults, and dangerous for infants. In the heating process, all the live enzymes in the honey are destroyed. It is the live enzymes and their precursors, contained in the honey, that make it such a healthy food for both adults and infants.

if you heat the honey you kill the bacteria and good enzymes... so what's the problem?

if you don't heat it, then you've got bacteria and good enzymes.

I'm confused.

 

[MaxDSP]

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Originally posted by: Pilsnerpete
readme.txt about honey.

Great text... but this seems contradictory:

It has been filtered, and in some cases, heated to kill any bacteria that might be contained therein. Heating the honey is what renders it unhealthy for adults, and dangerous for infants. In the heating process, all the live enzymes in the honey are destroyed. It is the live enzymes and their precursors, contained in the honey, that make it such a healthy food for both adults and infants.

if you heat the honey you kill the bacteria and good enzymes... so what's the problem?

if you don't heat it, then you've got bacteria and good enzymes.

I'm confused.

it's a conundrum that could destroy the universe

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

what it is saying is that adults have more resistance to fight off bacteria and the enzyme's benefits outweigh the bacteria since they will be immune to them. but for babies, their immune systems suck so they might get sick from the bacteria and that is worse than the potential benefits of the enzymes. but if you heat it, then the benefits of the enzymes are nullified and all you have is sugar with bacteria in it, which sucks for everyone. comprende?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
It says on the side of the bottle of honey that you are not supposed to give it to children under the age of 1.

Why and what happens if you do?

My mom said she used to give it to me all the time before she found out:frown:

If you give it to kids under 1 they become losers who get stuck on ATOT and post YAGTs.

 

[mdbound]

Honey contains the SPORES of the organism Clostridium botulium. Those spores are NOT killed by heating to 96 degrees (or even the acid in our stomach or boiling temp, 212 degrees F). In adults, no prob, our immune system kills those spores/organisms when they sprout in our gut. In babies however, their immune system is less developed and their natural GI flora (all of the bacteria in their gut) is of a different composition, thus they are more suseptible to having the spores develop into the full feldged bacteria and then having the bacteria produce toxin.

MD.

Edit: I re-read that article....seems like hog wash to me IMHO, however, DO NOT EVER feed an infant honey. It says, "All the cases of botulism in infants involved heated honey." Ya, well, doesn't that prove that heating to 96 degrees is USELESS. Unless you want a dead baby, it's not worth taking the risk. And remember, it doesn't matter who/what your local provider of honey is....he/she can't see botulism anyway, so how would they know!?!?! It's simply NOT worth the risk.

 

[imported_Papi]

ITs been known to cause allegic reactions in babies. Which can also lead to them being allegic to bee's and pollen.

 

[AreaCode707]

mdbound is right, honey can cause botulism in babies.

 

[imported_Papi]

Gasp! My grandmother doesn't knwo crap!


Well atleast I never gave it to my kids... my 2 year old loves honey and peanutbutter now.

How can botulism be prevented?

Botulism can be prevented. Foodborne botulism has often been from home-canned foods with low acid content, such as asparagus, green beans, beets and corn. However, outbreaks of botulism from more unusual sources such as chopped garlic in oil, chile peppers, tomatoes, improperly handled baked potatoes wrapped in aluminum foil, and home-canned or fermented fish. Persons who do home canning should follow strict hygienic procedures to reduce contamination of foods. Oils infused with garlic or herbs should be refrigerated. Potatoes which have been baked while wrapped in aluminum foil should be kept hot until served or refrigerated. Because the botulism toxin is destroyed by high temperatures, persons who eat home-canned foods should consider boiling the food for 10 minutes before eating it to ensure safety. Instructions on safe home canning can be obtained from county extension services or from the US Department of Agriculture. Because honey can contain spores of Clostridium botulinum and this has been a source of infection for infants, children less than 12 months old should not be fed honey. Honey is safe for persons 1 year of age and older. Wound botulism can be prevented by promptly seeking medical care for infected wounds and by not using injectable street drugs.

 

[mdbound]

Originally posted by: yayo
Gasp! My grandmother doesn't knwo crap! Well atleast I never gave it to my kids... my 2 year old loves honey and peanutbutter now. How can botulism be prevented? Botulism can be prevented. Foodborne botulism has often been from home-canned foods with low acid content, such as asparagus, green beans, beets and corn. However, outbreaks of botulism from more unusual sources such as chopped garlic in oil, chile peppers, tomatoes, improperly handled baked potatoes wrapped in aluminum foil, and home-canned or fermented fish. Persons who do home canning should follow strict hygienic procedures to reduce contamination of foods. Oils infused with garlic or herbs should be refrigerated. Potatoes which have been baked while wrapped in aluminum foil should be kept hot until served or refrigerated. Because the botulism toxin is destroyed by high temperatures, persons who eat home-canned foods should consider boiling the food for 10 minutes before eating it to ensure safety. Instructions on safe home canning can be obtained from county extension services or from the US Department of Agriculture. Because honey can contain spores of Clostridium botulinum and this has been a source of infection for infants, children less than 12 months old should not be fed honey. Honey is safe for persons 1 year of age and older. Wound botulism can be prevented by promptly seeking medical care for infected wounds and by not using injectable street drugs.

Just one more word to the wise....the TOXIN is produced by live organism and is what causes you to be sick. It is destroyed by heat.

The SPORES are the organism that have converted themselves into an essentially indestructable, non-toxin producing form that are still viable given the right media on which to grow....kind of like seeds from a plant (however much more indestructable). That's why heat doesn't really affect the spores which are in honey.

 

[imported_Papi]

So drink something hot after eating canned foods as well as honey? Can that help counter react it, possibly?

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Pilsnerpete
readme.txt about honey.

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[SagaLore]

Honey contains natural Botulin spores, which is what causes botolism. A baby's digestive system has a different PH and flora environment and is incapable of balancing out the growth of the spores. (Since they're still in the breast feeding phase) So kids under 1 could get botulism poisoning from ingesting honey.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: RIGorous1

Originally posted by: Pilsnerpete
readme.txt about honey.

Great text... but this seems contradictory:

It has been filtered, and in some cases, heated to kill any bacteria that might be contained therein. Heating the honey is what renders it unhealthy for adults, and dangerous for infants. In the heating process, all the live enzymes in the honey are destroyed. It is the live enzymes and their precursors, contained in the honey, that make it such a healthy food for both adults and infants.

if you heat the honey you kill the bacteria and good enzymes... so what's the problem?

This just means that eating processed honey is equivilent to eating plain sugar.

if you don't heat it, then you've got bacteria and good enzymes.

I'm confused.

The bacteria that is in the honey won't hurt an adult. In fact, most of the bacteria found on vegetables like carrots, grapes, etc. are good for supplying your body with necessary bacteria but everything today goes through some kind of filtering and sterilization process. Soaps are antibacterial now, water contains chlorine, etc. It's one of the reasons so many people have digestive problems. Good bacteria are symbiotic to people - we give them a home and in turn they help break down food, stimulate the movement of the food down the tract, and also create vitamins such as B and K.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: yayo
So drink something hot after eating canned foods as well as honey? Can that help counter react it, possibly?

Not unless you plan on drinking a boiling liquid of 212 degrees not stop for 6 hours.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: yayo
So drink something hot after eating canned foods as well as honey? Can that help counter react it, possibly?

Not unless you plan on drinking a boiling liquid of 212 degrees not stop for 6 hours.

Just use a pressure cooker and it doesn't need to be for 6 hours 1 or 2 will work

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: yayo
So drink something hot after eating canned foods as well as honey? Can that help counter react it, possibly?

Not unless you plan on drinking a boiling liquid of 212 degrees not stop for 6 hours.

Just use a pressure cooker and it doesn't need to be for 6 hours 1 or 2 will work

Might want to re-read his post.