Not one abortion by PP in Louisiana - ever, but LA Repubs want to defund it anyway

[fskimospy]

There are already multiple services being provided for women. Funding to organizations such as pp need to be cut.

You hear that everyone? Women already have multiple services! Pack it up,we're done here.

 

[Texashiker]

States should not be allowed to deny a business license because they dislike an otherwise qualified applicant.

You do not believe in states rights?

 

[HomerJS]

There are already multiple services being provided for women. Funding to organizations such as pp need to be cut.

So this is strictly a money saving effort to defund PP?

 

[senseamp]

There is no reasoning with Republicans. They must be defeated.

 

[Texashiker]

You hear that everyone? Women already have multiple services! Pack it up,we're done here.

Under the affordable care act everyone is supposed to have insurance. Either through coverage they bought or employer provided. For some reason you eskimospy object to the employer mandate. Wouldn't it be nice if companies were forced to provide coverage so the government would not have to fund pp?

If their income is below a certain point women can get on medicaid.

Local free clinics / health departments receive grants from the state and federal government to provide birth control services through title X.

How many services are enough?

 

[Cozarkian]

You do not believe in states rights?

This is a case of individual freedom v states' rights - individual freedom should win.

Even if it were a case of states' right v federal government, it falls within one of the constitutionally specified areas where the federal government prevails. The right to tell people they can't work in your state because you don't like them would allow a state to prevent interstate travel and commerce, which is a right the state gave up by entering the union.

 

[Texashiker]

So this is strictly a money saving effort to defund PP?

There is also the moral issue of pp murdering unborn children.

The issue with morals, democrats lack morals and values.

 

[fskimospy]

Under the affordable care act everyone is supposed to have insurance. Either through coverage they bought or employer provided. For some reason you eskimospy object to the employer mandate. Wouldn't it be nice if companies were forced to provide coverage so the government would not have to fund pp?

No, it wouldn't. The employer mandate is stupid.

If their income is below a certain point women can get on medicaid.

Local free clinics / health departments receive grants from the state and federal government to provide birth control services through title X.

How many services are enough?

As Louisiana has one of the worst reproductive health statistics in the country, clearly the level of services are insufficient.

Pretty basic logic.

 

[Texashiker]

This is a case of individual freedom v states' rights - individual freedom should win.

You are confusing business operations with a real person.

 

[shira]

There are already multiple services being provided for women. Funding to organizations such as pp need to be cut.

It's not "funding of organizations." It's allowing them to continue being Medicaid providers.

That said, why should PP NOT be allowed to be a Medicaid provider in Louisiana, while, say, some other reproductive services organization SHOULD be allowed to be a Medicaid provider in LA? What's you justification for choosing one over another?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

There is also the moral issue of pp murdering unborn children.

Which Planned Parenthood has never offered in Louisiana. Ever. Pretty flimsy pretext for defunding them; we don't want them performing a service they don't perform.

 

[shira]

You are confusing business operations with a real person.

Okay:

Two gas stations A and B. Both sell gasoline in poor neighborhoods, but in different cities. Both operate entirely within the law and both have satisfied customers. A is operated by a Democrat; B is operated by a Republican.

Should the state of Louisiana be able to shut down A solely because the owner is a Democrat?

 

[Cozarkian]

Local free clinics / health departments receive grants from the state and federal government to provide birth control services through title X.

How many services are enough?

The above argument is relevant to a decision to eliminate birth control services from Medicaid entirely. However, that isn't what is happening. The government is trying to limit the services it provides, it is trying to control an individuals right to choose where to obtain those services.

You should be terrified of his law because the government is making people dependent on Medicaid and then using their power to control an individual's actions.

 

[Cozarkian]

You are confusing business operations with a real person.

You are missing the call of the question. The proposed law is not a restriction on the business operations of PP, it is a restriction on the freedom to choose of the individual who has Medicaid.

It would be like the government saying you can't claim a mortgage deduction if you use Conservative Realtors when you buy your house. Or that government employees can't claim mileage reimbursement if they buy Shell gasoline but they can if they use chevron or 76.

 

[Texashiker]

Okay:

Two gas stations A and B. Both sell gasoline in poor neighborhoods, but in different cities. Both operate entirely within the law and both have satisfied customers. A is operated by a Democrat; B is operated by a Republican.

Should the state of Louisiana be able to shut down A solely because the owner is a Democrat?

Sorry but your comparison is lacking.

More like there are multiple gas stations in the city and all of them are receiving money from the government.

some gas stations have qualified technicians (doctors) on duty only part of the time. Others have technicians all the time, full clinics.

You are missing the call of the question. The proposed law is not a restriction on the business operations of PP, it is a restriction on the freedom to choose of the individual who has Medicaid.

How many services are enough?

 

[shira]

Sorry but your comparison is lacking.

More like there are multiple gas stations in the city and all of them are receiving money from the government.

some gas stations have qualified technicians (doctors) on duty only part of the time. Others have technicians all the time, full clinics.

Stop evading.

I'm telling you that both A and B are totally equivalent. Both are fully staffed and provide every gas-station service a customer could want. The ONLY differene is what I stated: A is run by a Democrat, B by a Republican.

So do you think it's "state's rights" for a state to be able to close down A ONLY because the owner is a Democrat?


Better yet: A and B are Medicaid cancer clinics. Both provide wonderful services for poor cancer patients. But the owner of A is a Democrat and the owner of B is a Republican. Same question: Should Louisiana be able to shut down A for no reason except that A is owned by a Democrat?

 

[Texashiker]

Stop evading.

I'm telling you that both A and B are totally equivalent./QUOTE]

Really?

When did pp start delivering children instead of killing them?

If a woman is going to go to a clinic let it be a full service clinic.

 

[Cozarkian]

How many services are enough?

One, so either eliminate free clinics or Medicaid. But LA isn't trying to eliminate Medicaid. If it is going to have multiple services it is improper to use one of them to try to control people's behavior.

 

[brycejones]

Really?


When did pp start delivering children instead of killing them?

If a woman is going to go to a clinic let it be a full service clinic.

Can't stop evading can you?

 

[Fayd]

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[HomerJS]

There is also the moral issue of pp murdering unborn children.

The issue with morals, democrats lack morals and values.

You did read where LA PP does not perform abortions?

Now for you overwhelming budgetary concerns, Republicans want to shutdown the government over PP funding. The last shutdown cost the economy 24 billion and actual loss of government services was 3.1 Billion.

PP gets 500 million/yr in public funds. So tell me again how much sense that makes?

 

[Jhhnn]

Can't stop evading can you?

The primary evasion is denial that women have a constitutional right to abortion. He'd have to get over himself in order to acknowledge that.

 

[Cozarkian]

You did read where LA PP does not perform abortions?

Now for you overwhelming budgetary concerns, Republicans want to shutdown the government over PP funding. The last shutdown cost the economy 24 billion and actual loss of government services was 3.1 Billion.

PP gets 500 million/yr in public funds. So tell me again how much sense that makes?

It takes both sides to shut down the government. The Republicans don't want to shut it down any more than Democrats do.

 

[brycejones]

It takes both sides to shut down the government. The Republicans don't want to shut it down any more than Democrats do.

The woman wouldn't have a black eye if she just listened to her husband?

 

[Cozarkian]

The primary evasion is denial that women have a constitutional right to abortion. He'd have to get over himself in order to acknowledge that.

No, it isn't. You can argue the inseminated egg has a right to life that trumps any right to abortion and still acknowledge that this is a bad law.