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Not impressed with Windows 10 so far.

Skaendo

Skaendo

Senior member
So I had a laptop laying around that didn't have a HDD. I figured, OK why not get a HDD for it and see how Windows 10 is looking.

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Here is some info to my Win10 install.

Dell Inspiron 1520
2GHz, 2GB, 500GB (partitioned to 350MB System, 50GB OS, 415.4GB unformatted)

WindowsTechnicalPreview-x64-EN-US.iso
Windows 10 Technical Preview x64 (build 9841)

Install started @ 4:56 PM
5:19 @ Desktop

10.5GB Fresh install footprint

Run Windows Update:

9 Updates (185.2MB);
1 Windows Defender (108.5MB)
4 Security & Updates (29.7MB, 17.2MB, 2.1MB, 19.5MB)
4 PC Specific Driver Updates  (1.2MB, 7.0MB, 36KB, 42KB)

Restart

11.4GB Updated footprint

Ran Windows Update again.

1 Update (106.7MB);
1 Windows Defender (106.7MB)

Apparently it wasn't done with the previous updates.
Restart again.

11.7GB footprint.

Ran update again, No new updates found.

While I was very impressed with the install time at 23 minutes and the initial OS footprint, it does not make up for the so called 'features' that it imposes with no customization on the OS that I personally could do without.

Start menu is crap, search is crap, task view is crap, PC Settings is crap, proprietary MS apps are crap. 1+GB of updates on the OS footprint just goes to show how fast this OS is going to bloat, = more crap.

I understand that this is a Technical Preview, and will try again when it is updated to beta or whatever. For now I am going to stick with Windows 7.

Someone in this forum said something to the effect of;
Win ME (crap), Win XP (good), Win Vista (crap), Win7 (good), Win8 (crap), Win9 (????), Win10 (crap).
This seems to be the trend for MS, and now they are just skipping the good releases and releasing the crap ones.

Goodbye for now Windows 10.
 
I don't think you do understand that it's a technical preview.

In any case, there are plenty of other threads you could have posted this to without starting ANOTHER Windows 10 thread.
 
nvm

*FYI, I did not sign up for the Windows Insider Preview Program. I just downloaded the iso from the MS website and installed it to see how things are shaping up for Win10, and to see if I want to purchase it once it is released. At this point, if this was the official release I would not waste my money.

I assume that they are going to add more functionality to it, like being able to remove search and task view from the taskbar, (I would hope), possibly a classic style start menu option, and options to remove some features like 'OneDrive', 'PC Settings', 'Store' etc.
 
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That means you got build 9841. You could have then updated it to build 9860 via PC Settings. I don't like the search and taskview buttons either, but they can be removed. Just as in 8.1, I installed the latest version of Classic Shell and made life much simpler.

I think you only installed it to bash it and in that you have accomplished "something?".
 
I am updating to 9860 right now.
Is Classic Shell working for 10TP? That would be interesting.
 
Skaendo said:
I am updating to 9860 right now.
Is Classic Shell working for 10TP? That would be interesting.
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Maybe but doesn't that defeat the purpose? Try giving the new ui a fair shake and see if you like it. If it helps think back to the first time you tried Debian. Remember how it felt similar but different.
 
Ok, I'm going to hold off on installing Classic Shell.
But the one thing I would have never changed in Windows is the Start Menu.

Another thing, If a new build has been released, why would they make it a In-Windows update?
Would it not make sense to create a new iso and update the download link?
 
In others yap yap yap I hate it, therefore its rubbish. 1GB is ridiculous in 2015 (just because!). 🙄

I've used Win 8 since Day 1 GA and its rock solid. There are no issues beyond mindless sheep bleating its baaaaaaad due to "UI issues" that if they ever existed are now fixed.
 
Skaendo said:
Ok, I'm going to hold off on installing Classic Shell.
But the one thing I would have never changed in Windows is the Start Menu.

Another thing, If a new build has been released, why would they make it a In-Windows update?
Would it not make sense to create a new iso and update the download link?
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Beta OS is all about testing and fixes,some things will be in later builds ,others can be fixed via WU,end of the day you have to remember it's beta so use it at your own risk,it also helps Microsoft with feedback on beta builds,final build ie RTM/retail will be different in both final features etc and obviously build number.


Btw Win10 is looking good,especially by the time we see a polished RTM build next year.
 
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Any chance they will fix anything?

activate.jpg


I got computers that wont activate. I got computers where the store doesnt work. Like, at all. But both will surf the web and both will install and run programs the way we've always done it on windows. This company is such a sick joke. They built this stupid store and it doesnt even work. Its so horrible I cringe at the thought of even opening it, and pray I never have to again.
 
I don't know how much I like the update process from build 9841 to 9860. It is seriously like 'Ok, install 9841, update it, then download 9860 (~3GB) and do a full OS upgrade on top of your OS.

Anyways, continuing on the progress of my testing,

Aside from the Start Menu that I have not yet replaced, and not a huge fan of, I think so far Windows 10 is shaping up to be a fairly good OS, (for a laptop anyways).

Like Mem said, a little customization and a theme can do wonders.

Code: 
Post 9860 update info:

The OS overall footprint has grown from 10.5GB to 16.7GB, with;

~7% Fragmentation (this might not seem like alot)
1.12GB pagefile.sys (extra space for RAM)
256MB swapfile.sys (an extention for pagefile.sys)
1.59GB hiberfil.sys (power management, Hibernate mode)
320MB System Volume Information (part of System Restore)

So the footprint for the 'updated to build 9860' OS itself is ~13.7GB


Because I didn't like the update process I created a .iso of build 9860 and did a fresh install, here are my results:

Code: 
Install time 28min
10.5GB overall footprint

1.12GB pagefile.sys
256MB swapfile.sys
1.59GB hiberfil.sys
320MB System Volume Information

Actual OS footprint ~7.2GB. Very Impressive.

Update time.

7 Updates (122.3MB);

1 Windows Defender Definitions (106.0MB)
2 Windows Updates (5.6MB, 2.4MB)
4 PC Specific Drivers (1.2MB, 7.0MB, 36KB, 42KB)

3 Updates failed (Defender Definitions & Windows Updates).

Restart, Update & Restart again.

11.5GB overall footprint

~3.5% Fragmentation

1.12GB pagefile.sys
256MB swapfile.sys
1.59GB hiberfil.sys
320MB System Volume Information

So at ~8.5GB for Windows is really good IMO.

I am starting to be impressed.

Now to get rid of the things I'll never use:
Search & Task View in the System Tray.
Alarms, Calculator, Calendar, Camera, Docking Controller, Food & Drink, Games, Health & Fitness, Mail, Maps, Money, Music, News, OneDrive, OneNote, People, Photos, Reader, Reading List, Scan, Skype, Sound Recorder, Sports, Store, Travel, Video & Weather from the Start Menu.
 
Skaendo said:
Goodbye for now Windows 10.
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Didn't you already have a Windows 10 thread going about this before? What do you accomplish with this thread beyond reminding everyone here how much you hate Windows 10?

As for your install size, it's because of Windows.old. You could have cleaned it up easily using the disk cleanup wizard instead of generating a new ISO.
 
RampantAndroid said:
Didn't you already have a Windows 10 thread going about this before? What do you accomplish with this thread beyond reminding everyone here how much you hate Windows 10?

As for your install size, it's because of Windows.old. You could have cleaned it up easily using the disk cleanup wizard instead of generating a new ISO.
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Do you reply in my threads just to contradict and bash me while I am here giving constructive info on a test install of a new OS? They have a name for people like that, troll.

No I have never had a Windows 10 thread, I never said I hate Windows 10. Windows 8/8.1, yes.

Personally I don't like to install one OS on top of another. there were all kind of weird things going on like PC Settings menu had missing letters in the middle of words and other quirks. A fresh install is the only way to do things right IMO.
 
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Skaendo said:
Do you reply in my threads just to contradict and bash me while I am here giving constructive info on a test install of a new OS? They have a name for people like that, troll.

No I have never had a Windows 10 thread, I never said I hate Windows 10. Windows 8/8.1, yes.

Personally I don't like to install one OS on top of another. there were all kind of weird things going on like PC Settings menu had missing letters in the middle of words and other quirks. A fresh install is the only way to do things right IMO.
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After the new build installs there was a couple of updates in the regular Control Panel Windows Update that fixed this issue.
I thought it was very strange that you have to use PC Settings to get the new build but then use the older Windows Update to fix it. I think this is an ongoing issue that Microsoft is working on as they try and transition to the newer PC Settings.
 
bbhaag said:
After the new build installs there was a couple of updates in the regular Control Panel Windows Update that fixed this issue.
I thought it was very strange that you have to use PC Settings to get the new build but then use the older Windows Update to fix it. I think this is an ongoing issue that Microsoft is working on as they try and transition to the newer PC Settings.
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And I noticed now with build 9860 not only is there the Control Panel and PC Settings, now they've added zPC Settings. Really? Why they feel the need to split control panel style options into now 3 separate apps is beyond me.
 
Skaendo said:
I don't know how much I like the update process from build 9841 to 9860. It is seriously like 'Ok, install 9841, update it, then download 9860 (~3GB) and do a full OS upgrade on top of your OS.

Anyways, continuing on the progress of my testing,

Aside from the Start Menu that I have not yet replaced, and not a huge fan of, I think so far Windows 10 is shaping up to be a fairly good OS, (for a laptop anyways).

Like Mem said, a little customization and a theme can do wonders.

Code: 
Post 9860 update info:

The OS overall footprint has grown from 10.5GB to 16.7GB, with;

~7% Fragmentation (this might not seem like alot)
1.12GB pagefile.sys (extra space for RAM)
256MB swapfile.sys (an extention for pagefile.sys)
1.59GB hiberfil.sys (power management, Hibernate mode)
320MB System Volume Information (part of System Restore)

So the footprint for the 'updated to build 9860' OS itself is ~13.7GB


Because I didn't like the update process I created a .iso of build 9860 and did a fresh install, here are my results:

Code: 
Install time 28min
10.5GB overall footprint

1.12GB pagefile.sys
256MB swapfile.sys
1.59GB hiberfil.sys
320MB System Volume Information

Actual OS footprint ~7.2GB. Very Impressive.

Update time.

7 Updates (122.3MB);

1 Windows Defender Definitions (106.0MB)
2 Windows Updates (5.6MB, 2.4MB)
4 PC Specific Drivers (1.2MB, 7.0MB, 36KB, 42KB)

3 Updates failed (Defender Definitions & Windows Updates).

Restart, Update & Restart again.

11.5GB overall footprint

~3.5% Fragmentation

1.12GB pagefile.sys
256MB swapfile.sys
1.59GB hiberfil.sys
320MB System Volume Information

So at ~8.5GB for Windows is really good IMO.

I am starting to be impressed.

Now to get rid of the things I'll never use:
Search & Task View in the System Tray.
Alarms, Calculator, Calendar, Camera, Docking Controller, Food & Drink, Games, Health & Fitness, Mail, Maps, Money, Music, News, OneDrive, OneNote, People, Photos, Reader, Reading List, Scan, Skype, Sound Recorder, Sports, Store, Travel, Video & Weather from the Start Menu.
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More than half of those default apps can be removed with a simple right click uninstall.
 
zokudu said:
More than half of those default apps can be removed with a simple right click uninstall.
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Yea, already done, with the ones I can uninstall.
Ones I haven't been able to uninstall are: Camera, Docking Controller, OneDrive, Photos & Store.

*I am not really liking this new Start Menu. There is 'limited' customization at best. Everything is still lumped into one big menu. What MS should have 'borrowed' is the KDE style menu with a category structure, or something similar.
 
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Its just an alpha OS. Many things will change between now and final release. The whole idea behind the technical preview was to try new things and then get user feedback. If you don't like something about it click on the feedback tile and submit your suggestions.
 
bbhaag said:
If you don't like something about it click on the feedback tile and submit your suggestions.
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I have been trying to use Windows Feedback, it keeps telling me that I have to be registered with the Windows Insider Preview Program, which I have signed up for and PC is logged in with my hotmail account, and I'm logged in on the program site.

*No tiles

**I got it fingered out.
 
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Skaendo; You talk to much. I'm pretty certain by now that everybody on this forum knows how much you hate Windows. I don't think we need anymore anti-Windows threads by you.

Nor anymore Praise Linux Jesus threads.
 
Raduque said:
Skaendo; You talk to much. I'm pretty certain by now that everybody on this forum knows how much you hate Windows. I don't think we need anymore anti-Windows threads by you.

Nor anymore Praise Linux Jesus threads.
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Thanks for contributing this constructive criticism to the actual topic.
 
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