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greatromances

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Hey all! Okay, here's the story in a brief nutshell...

I purchased a pentium D 805 in hopes of getting great o/c results, after being an AMD guy all my life. I went from a 2500+ XP to the 805. I was able to get the 805 to about 3.7ghz stable, but unfortunately, I'm running into ALOT of TM1 throttling. It starts at about 3.3ghz and up. So basically, i'm stuck at 3.3ghz unless I want degraded performance due to the throttling. 3.3ghz is nothing to sneeze at, but it can't hold its own in the gaming world. I should have gone with an AMD chip IMO, but I thought it'd give Intel a chance cuz it looked like a pretty fair deal.

Well, to make a long story short, I'm not overly happy with the performance i'm getting, and would like to switch back to AMD. I'm looking to spend ~$300 for the cpu/mainboard/HSF total. What would be the best setup for this price rang? I'm definately going to be overclocking, so i'd need a good HSF. the AM2 3500+ is going for $141 on Newegg right now, and that's only $20 more than I paid for the 805. I'm sure I could get much better gaming performance from a 3500+ over the 805, right? Especially o/c'd. Can anyone suggest a nice board setup that uses DDR2, and if possible, support for Crossfire? What would the best setup for gaming performance for around $300?
 
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broly8877

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I would recommend for you to wait if you can.

Stick to the 805 for anoher month, by then you'll have this to chose from:

$170 Athlon 64 X2 3800+

and

$190 Core 2 Duo E6300
 
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greatromances

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arctic freezer pro 7. 3 case fans at 100% , and i've reseated w/ new thermal paste 3 times w/ no better results. turned off tm2 in the bios, but tm1 is heavy under load at higher that 3.3ghz.
 
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o1die

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I'd wait until the end of July, when dual core amd's should drop in price. Have you considered watercooling for your 805? Might be cheaper than changing to amd.
 
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Acanthus

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You need a very good heatsink for overclocking P-Ds.

I switched to watercooling and now universally overkill everything.

Edit: Also with watercooling you may see a substantially increased overclock, reducing the heat from near-throttle levels will give you more headroom.
 
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greatromances

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aren't most complete watercooling setups upwards of $200? I would prob be better off going w/ an amd an overclock that, at it will end up costing much less in the long run with power, and it will already run cooler than the 805. If I overclock a 3500+ or a 3800+ chip, i'd prob be looking at better performance than the o/c'd 805.
 
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CyborgNinja117

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Originally posted by: greatromances
aren't most complete watercooling setups upwards of $200? I would prob be better off going w/ an amd an overclock that, at it will end up costing much less in the long run with power, and it will already run cooler than the 805. If I overclock a 3500+ or a 3800+ chip, i'd prob be looking at better performance than the o/c'd 805.
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not all, some are cheap and some are expensive.

i would wait till core 2 duo (conroe). im surprised u got up to 3.7 ghz w/ artic cooler... the conroe are cheaper and faster then what amd has to offer
 
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If you are throttling, try lowering the voltage slightly. You would lower the peak frequency, but you can raise the throttling floor significantly. Power increases as the square of voltage.
 
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greatromances

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i will decrese the voltage and see what i get, but i thought it was temps that trigger tm1 throttling? If i lower the voltage, that won't affect my temps. at 3.3 i'm at stock voltage of 1.325, then i rase to 1.35 at 3.5ghz, and 4.125 at 3.7ghz.
 
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cmrmrc

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if you can wait another 2-3 months maybe, go for conroe...but if you can't wait, get an X2 3800+ now but you'd better wait at least another month for the AMD price drops...

what is EXACTLY cpu throttling...how come i've seen alot of ppl have throttling with the 805 and not with amds?
 
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Canterwood

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Originally posted by: CyborgNinja117
...the conroe are cheaper and faster then what amd has to offer
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I think not. When Conroe finally ships, there'll be massive price cuts on many AMD's, so they should be substantially cheaper than the Intels.

 
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Originally posted by: cmrmrc
if you can wait another 2-3 months maybe, go for conroe...but if you can't wait, get an X2 3800+ now but you'd better wait at least another month for the AMD price drops...

what is EXACTLY cpu throttling...how come i've seen alot of ppl have throttling with the 805 and not with amds?
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Because it's an over heating feature Intel has. It lowers the MHz.
 
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DrMrLordX

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Uh, i'd definitely wait until late July to get anything whether you switch to AMD or not. Price cuts baby.

btw, if you can use one, the Tuniq Tower 120 should outperform the HSF you have currently.

http://www.tuniq.com.tw/Cooler%20Info/Tower-120.htm

Even still, some of those 805s run really hot. I kept trying to warn people away from the 805s but after awhile, it was a lost cause what with all the sites like Tom's bragging about 4.1 ghz overclocks on the fool things.
 
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coldpower27

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Originally posted by: Canterwood
Originally posted by: CyborgNinja117
...the conroe are cheaper and faster then what amd has to offer
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I think not. When Conroe finally ships, there'll be massive price cuts on many AMD's, so they should be substantially cheaper than the Intels.
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The Core based processor will still have better performance/dollar and you have to keep in mind even with the 169US 3800+ X2 coming up Intel has cheaper Dual Cores then that.
 
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jlbenedict

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damn.. I didn't realize 3.3 Ghz is slow??

Do you honestly think there is going to be enough difference in your overclocked 3.3Ghz Pentium D from a 3500+, to justify the $$$ spent on moving over?

I mean.. yeah, I'm sure the 3500+ is a kick @$$ CPU, but it just seems like a waste of $$ to purchase .. I'm sure you'll get some funds from selling your current setup to offset some of the $300 you have set for your budget.


 
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Griswold

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Originally posted by: coldpower27
Originally posted by: Canterwood
Originally posted by: CyborgNinja117
...the conroe are cheaper and faster then what amd has to offer
Click to expand...
I think not. When Conroe finally ships, there'll be massive price cuts on many AMD's, so they should be substantially cheaper than the Intels.
Click to expand...

The Core based processor will still have better performance/dollar and you have to keep in mind even with the 169US 3800+ X2 coming up Intel has cheaper Dual Cores then that.
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Yes, netburst junk will be cheaper by a few bucks. Not really competition though.

 
Markfw

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Originally posted by: Plester
bottom line - now is not a good time to do anything other than wait.
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I have to agree with this. Until I see the real prices of the X2's and the Conroes, I won't say anything else though. You can't say AMD will have this price and Conroe will be that price until its on newegg, in stock, and your order ships. (as an example)

Site say they will have chips, then don't, they say they are in stock, but don't ship, etc... And then due to supply and demand, no matter what you read, prices can go all over the place.
 
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coldpower27

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Originally posted by: Griswold
Originally posted by: coldpower27
Originally posted by: Canterwood
Originally posted by: CyborgNinja117
...the conroe are cheaper and faster then what amd has to offer
Click to expand...
I think not. When Conroe finally ships, there'll be massive price cuts on many AMD's, so they should be substantially cheaper than the Intels.
Click to expand...

The Core based processor will still have better performance/dollar and you have to keep in mind even with the 169US 3800+ X2 coming up Intel has cheaper Dual Cores then that.
Click to expand...

Yes, netburst junk will be cheaper by a few bucks. Not really competition though.
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I would say the 163US Pentium D 945 will be competitive enough..
 
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Markfw

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There is no Pentium D 945, there is a 940 @ $218 and a 950 at $322
 
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