Not bothering with the 900 series, not impressed at all.

[SeanJ76]

After looking at tons of reviews and benchmarks of these new cards, then running the same bench's at the same settings on my 770GTX SC ACX sli, I am no way impressed.
First off, if youre going to compare cards, you need to compare the right version of cards-
970 SC ACX compared to reference design 770/780/780ti.....

I don't know what kind of 770 GTX they used but not at all accurate.
My 770 SC ACX Sli score-

Tomb Raider- same thing, a 970 SC ACX compared to reference cards...

Here's my 770 SC ACX sli score-

Serious accuracy issues in these benchmarks.... if they would of compared a 770 SC ACX instead of the reference 770 results would be much, much closer.
Sure this series is more power efficient and all, but who cares??

Warning issued for disruptive behavior.
-- stahlhart

 

[toyota]

lol someone is bored today. these are not for everyone but if you cant figure out why the cards are impressive then thats your fault.

EDIT: and you are not even running the same settings in Metro. it looks like SLI is not really even working well for you in that game as should be getting way better than that for the settings you used.

 

[Subyman]

Uhm, why are you comparing your SLI scores to single card scores? Also, the benches have a stock 970 in them too.

 

[notty22]

I also do not buy every new architecture/generation. But I feel little need to justify it publicly
Non reference cards often cost more, that can be factored in if anal. On the other hand I derive pleasure on buying the model I choose from research.
With my new 970gtx, I have 4gb, don't really believe I need it yet but it was another incentive along with price/performance/efficiency.
Enjoy your 770 SC ACX

 

[Termie]

Also, you're running your TR bench without 4xMSAA.

You really haven't been adding much to this forum with your posts - in fact, all of them contained the exact same misinformation.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=36728436&highlight=#post36728436
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=36728398&highlight=#post36728398
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=36726782&highlight=#post36726782

Seriously?

 

[f1sherman]

They are getting 38fps avg. and you are getting minimum of 95fps
Errr... I'll go on a limb and say that you are not running your game maxed.

So yeah, not impressed by your benchmark replaying at all

 

[Madpacket]

Sounds like someone's a little butthurt over not waiting for the 970's to arrive

 

[toyota]

he spams 2 benchmarks neither of which are being run at the settings he is trying to compare them to.

 

[sandorski]

If one is 2 or more generations behind, they are impressive. If only 1 generation, it becomes only interesting to those who insist on having the latest.

 

[alcoholbob]

SLI 970 is 40% faster than you SLI 770 for 2/3 of the cost OP, how is that not impressive.

 

[Attic]

He's right about benches against reference giving a shifted view of performance deltas even if he's abrasive, somewhat off in his numbers and unrelenting in how he's presenting it.

Market for these cards has changed since their release a bit, especially for 290 and 290x, the reference were a disaster, non reference were amazing, bench against non reference cards that are widely avaialable if possible.

The MSI 780 and 780ti gaming cards in their OC mode for example are much faster than stock reference, and the Tri-x 290 and 290x or Vapor X are likewise much faster than reference.


For OP if you care that much about the reviews, why reviews ran against reference competition, then send a note. Might be limitation of review time and/or other reasons. Might be something on tap for a followup.

Or post up some sites that review the 970/980 vs a decent and more worthwhile selection of competition that accurately reflects what folks would be buying against (OC Non reference cards).

When folks look at a review of the 970, and the results include the refernce 970 and a highly OC'd 970 what do you guys think the reader is focused on as the speed of the 970? Obviously the OC'd, that's the intent, it's not a huge gas to expect proper competition to be included for folks who like to read reviews prior to purchase or just for info.

 

[Vesku]

I think some people are a bit over enthused because it's been a while since Nvidia initiated a GPU price war. The GTX 970 is basically the 28nm version of the GTX 460 but with better power characteristics, i.e. no real tradeoffs for the decent price but not offering a truly next gen bump in performance. Now Nvidia might surprise me and get a near generational jump in performance through driver updates during the next 6 months but I wouldn't want to put money on that happening.

 

[master_shake_]

I'm torn do I replace my 780s or not...

 

[Phynaz]

Wow, how many times are you going to post about your "free" 770's? Me thinks this is a brag thread.

 

[nitromullet]

The overall performance delta between a single GTX 770 and 970 is pretty significant, especially considering they are about the same price.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/25.html

If your cards are meeting your needs that's cool, but that doesn't mean the 970 isn't a much better card for the money.

 

[Hauk]

I think some people are a bit over enthused because it's been a while since Nvidia initiated a GPU price war. The GTX 970 is basically the 28nm version of the GTX 460 but with better power characteristics, i.e. no real tradeoffs for the decent price but not offering a truly next gen bump in performance. Now Nvidia might surprise me and get a near generational jump in performance through driver updates during the next 6 months but I wouldn't want to put money on that happening.

Sitting in 780Ti SLI, I didn't pay much attention to this one. Think about what it delivers though. Instead of thinking AMD vs. nV, think about what was accomplished on the 28mm node. From an engineering standpoint it's an accomplishment.

 

[nitromullet]

I'm torn do I replace my 780s or not...

That's a more difficult question. The main reason to ditch the 780s would be resale value, but then again that ship might have already sailed.

To play this game properly, you have to sell your old card before the new cards come out and gamble that the new cards will be a worthwhile upgrade. I had an R9 290 a few weeks ago, there's a reason I'm rockin' an HD 2400 in my sig right now... In the case of the GTX 770 v.970, it's a slam dunk for the 970. It's not quite the same win for the 980 over the 780, but depreciation is going to set in on the 780 as more and more people upgrade.

 

[hawtdawg]

i'll sell you my 780's

 

[Vesku]

Sitting in 780Ti SLI, I didn't pay much attention to this one. Think about what it delivers though. Instead of thinking AMD vs. nV, think about what was accomplished on the 28mm node. From an engineering standpoint it's an accomplishment.

It's an efficiency gain but not much of a performance gain over 780, 780 Ti. If this showed up a year ago I could appreciate the engineering a bit more. I like the price but at the same time 28nm has been around for too long and I it's becoming clear we won't see a decent 4K single GPU until a node shrink.

 

[SeanJ76]

EDIT: and you are not even running the same settings in Metro. it looks like SLI is not really even working well for you in that game as should be getting way better than that for the settings you used.

Wrong^I'm running the exact same settings in the above benchmarks......as you can see 1x 770 gets 38fps......which puts my sli score WAY ABOVE the norm. The benchmarks did not test with Advanced physx enabled..... because AMD doesn't have physx, therefore the reviewers would not enable it for a fair, accurate review.....
These cards are not impressive at all, they're more power efficient than the 780ti but that is it. Both these cards are a total let down, hence the low price point of $400....

 

[toyota]

Wrong^I'm running the exact same settings in the above benchmarks......as you can see 1x 770 gets 38fps......which puts my sli score WAY ABOVE the norm..... which to me, means the scores in-accurate. The benchmarks did not test with Advanced physx enabled..... because AMD doesn't have physx, therefore the reviewers would not enable it for a fair, accurate review.....
These cards are not impressive at all, they're more power efficient than the 780ti but that is it.

lol no YOU are WRONG. they use 16x AF and very high tessellation in Metro LL which you did not even bother to turn on.

so you think you have some magically fast system? SLI does not scale well in this game and that is well known if you are in the Metro forum as we have benchmark thread there. now go run it the right way and come back.

 

[SeanJ76]

lol no YOU are WRONG. they use 16x AF and very high tessellation which you did not even bother to turn on.

so you think you have some magically fast system? SLI does not scale well in this game and that well known if you are in the games forum. now go run it the right way and come back.

Next time look at the test set-up before you go spewing your nonsense noob!
it lists settings exactly as mine are which is the default as well.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/5.html
1920x1080, 4x Anti-aliasing. Most common widescreen resolution for larger displays (22" - 26").

Even with advanced physx enabled, and Tess set to normal, which they did not enable, I scored way ahead of this sites benchmark's results and way ahead of the 980GTX!

 

[toyota]

Next time look at the test set-up before you go spewing your nonsense noob!
it lists settings exactly as mine are.....
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/5.html
1920x1080, 4x Anti-aliasing. Most common widescreen resolution for larger displays (22" - 26").
What a tool!

so you cant even read? I told you the settings that they used but keep on making a fool of yourself then.

 

[toyota]

I get 91 fps on the settings YOU used so I guess in your mind my 780 must be almost 50% faster than the one they tested.

I get 72 at the settings I told you they used which makes sense because my card is oced a little bit.

 

[SeanJ76]

lol no YOU are WRONG. they use 16x AF and very high tessellation in Metro LL which you did not even bother to turn on.

so you think you have some magically fast system? SLI does not scale well in this game and that is well known if you are in the Metro forum as we have benchmark thread there. now go run it the right way and come back.

No they did not.....here's the test up spec's....apparently you have problems reading-
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_970_SC_ACX_Cooler/5.html
"Test System - VGA Rev. 33
Processor: Intel Core i7-4770K @ 4.2 GHz
(Haswell, 8192 KB Cache)
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI Hero
Intel Z87
Memory: 16 GB DDR3
@ 1600 MHz 9-9-9-24
Harddisk: WD Caviar Blue WD10EZEX 1 TB
Power Supply: Antec HCP-1200 1200W
Software: Windows 7 64-bit Service Pack 1
Drivers: AMD: Catalyst 14.6 Beta
R9 285: 14.30 Beta 2
NVIDIA: 337.88 WHQL
GTX 970/980: 344.07
Display: LG Flatron W3000H 30" 2560x1600
3x Hanns.G HL225DBB 21.5" 1920x1080
Dell UP2414Q 24" 3840x2160"

"Benchmark scores in other reviews are only comparable when this exact same configuration is used.
All video card results are obtained on this exact system with exactly the same configuration.
All games are set to their highest quality setting unless indicated otherwise.
AA and AF are applied via in-game settings, not via the driver's control panel.
Each game is tested at the following settings and resolutions:
1600x900, 4x Anti-aliasing. Common resolution for most smaller flatscreens and laptops today (17" - 19").
1920x1080, 4x Anti-aliasing. Most common widescreen resolution for larger displays (22" - 26").
2560x1600, 4x Anti-aliasing. Highest possible resolution for commonly available displays (30").
5760x1080, 4x Anti-aliasing. Typical three-monitor high-end gaming multi-monitor resolution.
3840x2160, No Anti-aliasing. 4K Ultra HD resolution, available on the latest high-end monitors"

No 16x AA, no Tessellation....... you are pathetic.......they used the default Metro Benchmark setting as listed above.
Metro LL is one of the best sli performing games period for Nvidia, everyone knows this. Everything you've said is wrong Toyota, maybe you should stick to selling Toyotas.......