not allowed to protest peacefully anymore?

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Lawn order: Nope
Judge rules against rally in Central Park, which could imperil entire protest plan for 250,000 people

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BY DARYL KHAN
STAFF WRITER

August 26, 2004


A State Supreme Court judge ruled yesterday that the anti-Bush group organizing the largest protest around the Republican National Convention could not hold a rally on the Great Lawn of Central Park.

The decision casts uncertainty on whether United for Peace and Justice will protest Sunday. As of last night, the group did not have a permit from the city for either a march or a rally.











Although the group's representatives have said for weeks that they plan to at least hold a march for an estimated 250,000 people - unless the Police Department grants them a permit to also rally in Central Park - that too could be scuttled.

"There's been no permit issued yet," said Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne, the department's chief spokesman. "For anything."

A police official said United for Peace and Justice has been mischaracterizing the department's position by insisting there will be a march on Sunday.

"When they rejected the West Side Highway, they rejected everything," a police source said, referring to a prior agreement for a march by Madison Square Garden and a rally on the West Side Highway that the group accepted, then declined.

Christopher Dunn, an attorney for United for Peace and Justice, said he left a meeting with police officials last night confident there would be a march.

"There was nothing said in the meeting to suggest there was any question about a march taking place," he said.

Leslie Cagan, United for Peace and Justice's national director, said the group has an agreement for the march with the department but no permit, but will have finalized the details by today.

"We are unhappy with the decision," Cagan said. "But that does not stop us. Our voices will be heard."

Cagan has said repeatedly that her organization refuses to assemble on the West Side Highway, the only location the city offered as a a viable site.

Administrative Judge Jacqueline Silberman in Manhattan yesterday cited two main reasons for ruling to close the Great Lawn to protesters. In her written decision, she said United for Peace and Justice waited too long to file its suit.

And she said the city's choice of the West Side Highway did not violate the organization's right to speech or assembly.

She ruled: "The Parks Department appropriately applied content-neutral regulations while leaving plaintiff [UFPJ] with a reasonable alternate site suitable with ample means of communication."

Dunn said Silberman's decision does not have any bearing on the argument they made in court or the facts of the case.

"I think she might be the only New Yorker who cannot tell the difference between the two sites," he said.

At the heart of United for Peace and Justice's argument is the idea that Central Park serves the traditional role of a public square for New York City and offers the only open space large enough to accommodate a quarter of a million people.

But Silberman disagreed, saying in her decision that the two locations "cannot reasonably be viewed" as different from a constitutional perspective.

While the city officially applauded Silberman's ruling, a number of police officials remained dissatisfied and voiced concerns that it will create conflict rather than ameliorate it.

"That makes it much more difficult on us," a police source said. "They're going to go to the park. We know they're going to go. If they had just let them go, we could have left them alone. Now it means we're going to have to arrest people."
 

jpeyton

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I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

God bless you peace-luvin' hippies



Don't you morons think that the security and related costs to deal with 250k in a short amount of time is going to be overwhelming? It's NY's tax dollars that are going to be paying for it.


Grow up
 

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As the Manhattan Libertarian Party said when they announced their intention to protest at the RNC, "If you ask the government for permission to protest, you deserve to be told no."
 

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Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

God bless you peace-luvin' hippies



Don't you morons think that the security and related costs to deal with 250k in a short amount of time is going to be overwhelming? It's NY's tax dollars that are going to be paying for it.


Grow up


Boo hoo.

State tax dollars pay for security every time Bush decides to throw a fundraising tour.

And these protests are great for Kerry's campaign. People get to contrast a relatively peaceful and enjoyable DNC in Boston vs. crowds of thousands filling streets with protests at the RNC.

I'm guessing international coverage of the RNC will be just as sweet.
 

TheAudit

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Take it to the streets.

The Great Lawn cannot handle a quarter of a million people. The last time they held a rally there it cost almost twenty million dollars to rehabilitate the lawn.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

That will only cause Kerry to drop in the polls even more. Especially if the Bush campaign speaks out against any "mayhem" that is caused by these "Kerry lovers".
 

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Protesters have got to be the dumbest people on Earth. They never persuade anyone to their cause, all they do is annoy people and galvanize the opposition.
 

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

That will only cause Kerry to drop in the polls even more. Especially if the Bush campaign speaks out against any "mayhem" that is caused by these "Kerry lovers".

Bingo
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: Torghn
Protesters have got to be the dumbest people on Earth. They never persuade anyone to their cause, all they do is annoy people and galvanize the opposition.

Agreed.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

That will only cause Kerry to drop in the polls even more. Especially if the Bush campaign speaks out against any "mayhem" that is caused by these "Kerry lovers".

Last time there were worldwide protests against the War, Bush dropped in the polls.

BTW, can any of you Bushies tell me a little about his service record during Vietnam?
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

God bless you peace-luvin' hippies



Don't you morons think that the security and related costs to deal with 250k in a short amount of time is going to be overwhelming? It's NY's tax dollars that are going to be paying for it.


Grow up


Boo hoo.

State tax dollars pay for security every time Bush decides to throw a fundraising tour.

And these protests are great for Kerry's campaign. People get to contrast a relatively peaceful and enjoyable DNC in Boston vs. crowds of thousands filling streets with protests at the RNC.

I'm guessing international coverage of the RNC will be just as sweet.

Yet, Bush still leads in the polls. Oh, the irony.
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
BTW, can any of you Bushies tell me a little about his service record during Vietnam?
Get the hell back in P&N, troll. This is not the place to even start with that kind of "question."
 

UglyCasanova

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
BTW, can any of you Bushies tell me a little about his service record during Vietnam?

How about it doesn't fvcking matter, nor does Kerry's. It's unbelievable how Vietnam has become the spotlight of the 2004 elections.

:disgust:
 

TheAudit

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Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
Originally posted by: jpeyton
BTW, can any of you Bushies tell me a little about his service record during Vietnam?

How about it doesn't fvcking matter, nor does Kerry's. It's unbelievable how Vietnam has become the spotlight of the 2004 elections.

:disgust:

Good man!
 

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If they're really that diehard why don't they just march anyway. Are they going to let the man keep them down? If so, perhaps they don't really care that much..
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: rsd
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

God bless you peace-luvin' hippies



Don't you morons think that the security and related costs to deal with 250k in a short amount of time is going to be overwhelming? It's NY's tax dollars that are going to be paying for it.


Grow up


Boo hoo.

State tax dollars pay for security every time Bush decides to throw a fundraising tour.

And these protests are great for Kerry's campaign. People get to contrast a relatively peaceful and enjoyable DNC in Boston vs. crowds of thousands filling streets with protests at the RNC.

I'm guessing international coverage of the RNC will be just as sweet.

Yet, Bush still leads in the polls. Oh, the irony.

Yes, look at that healthy incumbent margin he has in the polls........err.......wait.....

The fact that half this country hates the bastige is proof enough he needs to go.
 

fredtam

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I don't think the lawn in Central Park can hold 250,000 people, so I can't say if I disagree with the judge.

But I hope they rally anyways, and cause mayhem to distract from the convention. Anything to get Bush's public image farther down the toilet.

That will only cause Kerry to drop in the polls even more. Especially if the Bush campaign speaks out against any "mayhem" that is caused by these "Kerry lovers".

Last time there were worldwide protests against the War, Bush dropped in the polls.

BTW, can any of you Bushies tell me a little about his service record during Vietnam?

Sure can you tell me about Clinton's. I bet you would defend his.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: WhiteKnight
If they're really that diehard why don't they just march anyway. Are they going to let the man keep them down? If so, perhaps they don't really care that much..

im pretty sure the paddywagons or the holding cells down at the precinct cannot hold 250,000 protestors.....so yeah....f the man .......they should go thoruugh with it or shut up.
 

TerryMathews

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
BTW, can any of you Bushies tell me a little about his service record during Vietnam?

Yeah, he was in the ANG - which means he did nothing. Big suprise there. No one in the ANG did anything except practice intercepting Soviet bomber formations.

*I guess you could say that Bush defended our country due to the fact that the Soviets never attacked.