An Iraqi man heroically sacrificed his life to save four U.S. soldiers and eight Iraqi neighbors when he tackled a suicide bomber
I hope this heroic act change the negative view point on Iraqi citizens/immigrants.
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Not all Iraqis want to kill Americans.
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An Iraqi man heroically sacrificed his life to save four U.S. soldiers and eight Iraqi neighbors when he tackled a suicide bomber
I hope this heroic act change the negative view point on Iraqi citizens/immigrants.
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I am pretty sure that not all Iraqis who come to the US to build a new life are anti-America no matter what the pundit talking points state.
Sadly, you are correct. Stories like this aren't rated very highly. I don't suspect you'll hear about this on your Nightly News broadcast, either...
I'm sure there are many, many others. We just don't hear about it, because that doesn't fit with the agenda of the news media ... nor many on this board.
Maybe we don't hear about it cause it's not happening. Fact is, if I had uninvited alien forces in my country the last thing I'd do is assist them in their conquering of my land.
will889
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I have some real issues with the way our Policy in Iraq is and how we got so entrenched there, but I also understand the sacrifice of brave men, and the sacrifice of this very brave man was nothing short of awesome, yet sad. His father has a lot to be proud of. He gave of himself so that others may live. There is no braver, or more commendable sacrifice.
Would you feel the same way if a French Jew saved the life of a Nazi/German Army soldier? I honestly don't know what was going on in that guy's head. But it could've been his genuine love of humanity, independent of creed or country or it could've been some type of complex where people start to love those who have absolute power over them. Here's hoping it was the former.
will889
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Not really sure how I would feel if I heard a story about it but I'm sure there were acts of humanity from some of the Nazi soldiers towards Jews that went unnoticed (relatively) because they would have been shot for it themselves, and no doubt similar stories actually did unfold just like that (although far and few possibly who knows). As far as a complex of giving in to those trying to dominate him (if he even saw things that way), or his own love for humanity it could have been one or the other, or a mix of both, but I like to think it's the spirit of just simply wanting to save lives and not see others get killed. I try not to split hairs about such things. It's easy to do that, but I'm sure if you asked the soldiers that lived because of his sacrifice they would be respectful and not judge any possible ulterior motif.
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The attitude of conquering is what is being publicized by those that are opposed to the situation.
And that makes the situation worse.
Kinda like giving aid & comfort to the enemy. It encourages them with all the negativity.
can you please clarify your analogy? The Nazis rounded up Jews to ship them off to concentration caps to be slaughtered.
Using the examples that you did, you seem to be equating the man that saved the lives of those around him as a French freedom fighter and the US soldiers in the vicinity to Nazi occupiers....is that what you are doing?
If so, I highly doubt you could ever really appreciate what this man did or why he did it.
will889
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The way I see it is, that most of these people (local Iraqis) are not inherently bad. Many of them have rather strict religious guidelines which may or may not lend them to be easily swayed-influenced by insurgent types, but ultimately, it's up to each individual to assess the situation as best they can and try to just survive in an atmosphere like that. It could be one side or the other that they believe in, or no real side and just trying to keep your bothers, sisters, and parents, or kids out of harms way.
Apparently this man made a choice, and he simply gave the ultimate sacrifice to save other people and it's how his life apparently ended, and IMO the semantics of the tactical situation don't matter. All that matters is that he made his choice, he acted quickly, he saved lives. Ultimately the father was proud of his son's actions, and it profoundly affected the soldiers he saved.
That's a good (albeit tragic) story is it not? Trying your best to make a good choice for what you believe in and actually being willing to die for it is rather commendable in my opinion.
Apparently this man made a choice, and he simply gave the ultimate sacrifice to save other people and it's how his life apparently ended, and IMO the semantics of the tactical situation don't matter. All that matters is that he made his choice, he acted quickly, he saved lives. Ultimately the father was proud of his son's actions, and it profoundly affected the soldiers he saved.
That's a good (albeit tragic) story is it not? Trying your best to make a good choice for what you believe in and actually being willing to die for it is rather commendable in my opinion.
JohnOfSheffield
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That is a cowards way out of a discussion, claim that the opponent, even though he is right, is aiding and abetting the enemy.
That's trying to silence the opposition and it goes against the freedoms most of us hold dearly.
It's been used in every war by more prominent men than you so don't feel too bad about being a fascist, just realize that that is what you are and move on.
Why not?
There are a lot of Iraqis helping -and dying- to make their country a better place. It's not a "complex" as you suggest. It's a rational desire to have a civilized country with freedom and pluralism instead of a shithole of intolerant, violent tribalism. It's beyond me why I'd even have to explain such a common sense thing to you.
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A LTC I used to serve with sends me daily reports of similar heroics by Iraqi police and security forces...not to mention positive developments in American forces cooperating with tribal leaders to root out Al Quaida.
There are positive developments in Iraq, but those stories rarely hit the media...but you can find them on various blogs written by Iraqis and American soldiers who are actually there, and can speak with some level of authenticity as to what is truly going on.
Our soldiers, and many Iraqis, are making incredible sacrifices to stabilize the situation in Iraq...those who wish to perpetuate the violence are not representative of the Iraqi people as a whole, or Muslims in general.
Forgive me for fogetting the fact that the same America that is bringing civilization to iraqis today is the same one that kept the sanction regime going for well over a decade. The truth is America wanted iraqi "freedom" on her terms.
What's there to forgive? Who said forget?
You can obfuscate the issue with tangents. It doesn't change anything... some Iraqis see a valid opportunity to make progress. Good for them. I'd do the same. And I'm willing to bet these people have bigger worries right now over your personal hang-ups about past history.
Are we supposed to believe they should accept their miserable fate and NOT fight for progress because of your reasoning? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Nice one.
jonks
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Here's an article from a year ago September:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...R2006092601721_pf.html
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In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.
Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country
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Now those sound like large numbers, but the 35% or 29% who felt otherwise still comprise millions of people. Not that I think stopping a suicide bomber requires political calculation. This guy could hate the US occupation with a passion but still not want a bunch of people blown up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...R2006092601721_pf.html
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In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.
Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country
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Now those sound like large numbers, but the 35% or 29% who felt otherwise still comprise millions of people. Not that I think stopping a suicide bomber requires political calculation. This guy could hate the US occupation with a passion but still not want a bunch of people blown up.
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