Not a poll, just a question: Would you even consider buying the GFFX when it comes out?

[Ilmater]

I know we've opened up polls about this card, but my question is different. No matter how much of a flop I think this card is, there are always people that seem to have a need for bleeding edge technology. So my question is, is there ANYONE here that plans on buying one as soon as it hits store shelves? I think that the things that others have said are valid, ie. that it's too little too late, but surely there's someone out there that's going to buy one, right?

If so, please let me know. If anyone's going to buy this card, it'll be from the enthusiast crowd, I'm sure. So if I don't hear from anyone here that plans on buying this card, nVidia may have problems...

 

[bernse]

No, but I think I'll wait until a month after they're on the shelves to decide which route I'll be going with my next card. More likely than not a 9700, unless the FX tanks so badly Nvidia unloads them at a price cheaper than the 9700 then I'd consider it.

 

[chizow]

Probably not, I was considering it based on my well-documented problems with my 9700pro, but the FX's poor performance with AA and AF is gonna make me wait until NV35. Besides, my 30-day window to return my 9700pro just expired and I'm not going back to a GF3 (sold my GF4 ). I'm deaf, so don't even bring up noise issues

Chiz

 

[apoppin]

I just quoted myself from a nearly identical thread . . . It doesn't look like anyone will buy (and keep) this card. Can you imagine Joe Blow going into CompUSA to get a GF-FX without reading the reviews? . . . Will he KEEP that $400 DustBuster after he fires up his computer and the card spins up for "take-off"? I think Nvidia will face the biggest PRODUCT RETURNS in their History.

Originally posted by: apoppin
Anybody Check out NV News? It's like Nvidia "died"

:Q

THIS is from Nvidia FANS:

More post-FX thoughts - 1/28/03 2:04 am - By: Typedef Enum - Source:
It looks like that time of year when we all ponder a lot more than usual. Either that, or it sorta feels like a strange journey into the Twilight Zone.
When I think about nVidia, there's one quote that has always stuck with me. nVidia's CEO basically said that they would be just one cycle away from being out of business. That has been the mentality that has driven nVidia to the top over the last several years.

I have taken a good look around to see the general feeling by enthusiasts from around the net, and quite frankly, I cannot recall an episode quite like it. In many regards, this has actually more to do with the impressive engineering at ATI than what nVidia has done with this product.

But without going down that road, I will tell you one of the reasons why this product has underwhelmed so many people. Let me preface it by stating that I, by no means, am pointing the finger at one one individual . However, let me point you to an example from Anandtech's final review of the ATI Radeon 9700.


<<Based on the current specs of NV30, believe it or not, it will be faster than the Radeon 9700. Since both ATI and NVIDIA must support DirectX 9, you can already guess at a lot of the specifications for NV30. It will obviously have support for Pixel and Vertex Shader 2.0; you can expect it to have 8 pipes and with ATI and Matrox both sporting a 256-bit DDR memory bus, you can also expect it to have one too. The one benefit NVIDIA will have with NV30 will be that it will be manufactured on a 0.13-micron process. Not only does that mean that NVIDIA?s chip will be smaller but it also means that they can run at higher clock speeds, which can give it the edge over the Radeon 9700.>>


There you have it, a champion has already been crowned well before the product has even finished the final design phase. Folks, this quote was taken from July of 2002! Clearly, there was speculatory information in that quote that didn't even pan out. The way it was worded, it sure didn't sound like speculation, did it?

This is a website that's visited by millions of people, and they have been hyping NV30 to the extent that there was no doubt that NV30 would, indeed, be flat out faster than the ATI part.

In yet another article, a less pronounced statement was made:

We've said this before and it still holds true to date, NV30 is faster than the R300 on paper.


At any rate, I think you see the point. The fact of the matter is that many online websites contributed, in my opinion, to the absolute belief that NV30 was going to destroy all competing products, well before the darn thing was even finished. All this does is hype expectations to...well, basically, what we seemingly have witnessed today. Again, I'm not here to flame Anand, as I have a good deal of respect for the guy, not to mention he attends my alma mater

There are just as many websites out there guilty of it as they, and I just think it's a good lesson in life. As they say in NFL? That's why they play the game, no?

These are some of the thoughts swirling in my head. And of course, just my opinion.

Geforce FX Thoughts - 1/27/03 4:07 pm - By: volt - Source:
All of us have been very busy last night and today. Everyone was venturing for a review, and hoped that the work NVIDIA has put into this design would produce a killer card...not so. We found quite a few reviews this morning. Some were good, some decent, and some taken out the blue. I'd just like to say that Geforce FX (NV30) is not what most us wished for. It's more of a prototype for the future (NV35). It's disappointing for a lot of people and nVidiots in particular that this card simply doesn't cut it (based on review samples).
Whether the retail card is going to be much better, I doubt that. It might be by an inch, but it won't matter because most of us will not buy a $400 card with huge fan just for those few FPS. I won't mention "free" Anti-aliasing modes and Anisotropic performance which were in plans (at least AA). It could be because of the drivers, but in my opinion NVIDIA had plenty of time to compile a nice set of Detonators for that occasion. Again, retail cards may (or may not) perform better, but it's hard to achive the quality ATI has shown us with their 256 bit bus compared to NVIDIA's 128 bit. Some say "bandwidth is not everything". It's not, but we need to realize that switching from .15 micron to .13 micron process is a tough job. I can certainly understand that (and I hope you all will).

Based on the reviews, the card does perform well, but it's not a killer. Without that huge fan aka nDustbuster aka VacuumCleaner aka LeafBlower and huge power consumption we would certainly appreciate it more. Let us hope NVIDIA can at least work on those drivers.

-volt

 

[chizow]

We need some HIGHLIGHTS in that quote...its WAY too much to read

Chiz

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: chizow
We need some HIGHLIGHTS in that quote...its WAY too much to read

Chiz

GO the site I linked and you can read it yourself with all the intended "highlights".

Cut and Paste is only "so" good.


(I forgot the "{/B]" that made it all-bold)

EDIT:
Definitely GO to NV News . . . their PICS of the GF-FX "Hairdryer" and "Leafblower" PICS are well WORTH the VISIT (alone - the "eulogys" are depressing if you are an nVidiot).

 

[QuestionsandAnsweres]

Personally I probably would of if the card wasnt so loud. The performance of the card in todays games does seem about even with a card thats been out for what 6 months? But maybe in future games like Doom 3 it will be faster. Also with driver improvements it will get even better. But since it is so loud I am not even going to consider it. Ill just wait for NV35/R350/R400

 

[Czar]

If I were looking for a card at the moment I would NOT buy a Geforce FX even though it would only cost $100, if it cost maybe $50 then why not, just for testing, I would never have that jet engine in my main computer. If it were as silent as the Radeon 9700 pro then I might, that would 100% depend on the reviews.

In its current state, no chance in hell.

 

[dullard]

1) That was a reference card: the real card may have a different fan. No one knows how loud the final card will be.
2) The fans are throttled, so you are only looking at the loudest it could be, not the noise level that it actually will be for the vast majority of the time you use it.
3) Cards always get a 20% boost once good drivers are released, so it may very well be the top performing card at the time.

I'm positive the final card will be a heck of a lot quieter. If you want to be ignorant and pretend that the fan will not be changed and that the fan will always be at 100% speed, go right on - the rest of us will laugh, but that is your choice. Look at all the people ignoring points #1 and #2 and already making up their minds on a preproduction model.

So it comes down to price/performance. If its price was low enough I'd buy it. If the price is too high, I won't. Plain and simple.

 

[hdeck]

since i never buy the "latest and greatest" hardware, no. I'll wait until the next big thing comes out, then buy something a few steps down from it

 

[AT]

No.

Reasons being:
1. Noise, I have worked long and hard to make my system as quiet as possible and video card is not going to make all tha work pointless.
2. Price. I usually do not buy the top of the line video rather the best high-end value card. Now I'm hoping that 9500Pro and Ti4800SE will come down in price and I will pick one up to replace my G3Ti200.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: chizow
We need some HIGHLIGHTS in that quote...its WAY too much to read

Chiz

Nah I read the whole thing. It wasn't that bad o' post. But I really don't want reposts, and I completely agree with what was said before. I just want to know if there is ANYONE that will buy this card, assuming that it doesn't change any between now and retail. The thing is, it's barely faster, much louder, and much more expensive than the competing ATI graphics solution. So why in the world would you buy it?

The only people who would buy this card in the first month or two would be:

1) nVidia fanboys to the nth degree
2) those that absolutely need to be on the bleeding edge of technology
3) nVidiots

Unless nVidia lowers the price drastically or tweaks the heck out of their drivers and gains some performance, I can't see them selling a single one of these cards. Am I wrong? Is there anyone who will buy this card in the first couple of months?

 

[bgeh]

i wouldn't because it's too expensive and the radeon 9700pro performance is not too far off

 

[dullard]

Nah I read the whole thing. It wasn't that bad o' post. But I really don't want reposts, and I completely agree with what was said before. I just want to know if there is ANYONE that will buy this card, assuming that it doesn't change any between now and retail. The thing is, it's barely faster, much louder, and much more expensive than the competing ATI graphics solution.

Unless nVidia lowers the price drastically or tweaks the heck out of their drivers and gains some performance, I can't see them selling a single one of these cards. Am I wrong? Is there anyone who will buy this card in the first couple of months?

My questions to you:
1) Why do you think that the fan will always be that loud?
2) How do you already know the final price?

 

[Adul]

well u cant buy it yet per say

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: dullard

Nah I read the whole thing. It wasn't that bad o' post. But I really don't want reposts, and I completely agree with what was said before. I just want to know if there is ANYONE that will buy this card, assuming that it doesn't change any between now and retail. The thing is, it's barely faster, much louder, and much more expensive than the competing ATI graphics solution.

Unless nVidia lowers the price drastically or tweaks the heck out of their drivers and gains some performance, I can't see them selling a single one of these cards. Am I wrong? Is there anyone who will buy this card in the first couple of months?

My questions to you:
1) Why do you think that the fan will always be that loud?
2) How do you already know the final price?

it has been on preorder for $399 from BFG already. it been quoted several times it will retail for $399.

that thing runs very hot has it is, going to a slower fan could risk burning it up. Now if they some how manage to get this thing to run a lot cooler then maybe.

 

[Hender]

Definitely not right when it comes out. I'll be building a new computer towards the end of this year, maybe early next year, and I think maybe then I'd consider it, but not anywhere near now. Video cards when first released ar overpriced and underutilized, so there's literally no point in getting one, since it won't be taxed at all. I have a GeForce4 Ti4400 right now, and I haven't had a single performance problem with it, and I doubt anything released soon will touch it.

Even if it had been a 100% improvement over the Radeon 9700 Pro, who would care? Oooo, I get to play Unreal Tournament at 200 FPS isntead of 100!

 

[Nemesis77]

Negative. It's the noise, plain and simple. I will NOT put that turbine in to my machine!

 

[oldfart]

No way with the noise that thing makes. Even at the low rpm, it is far too noisy. nV blew it big this time. It will cost them. Last few cards are 3DFX V3 3000 -> ATi Radeon 64 DDR -> VT GF3 -> VT Ti4600. looks like next one will be ATi again.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Adul

Originally posted by: dullard
My questions to you:
1) Why do you think that the fan will always be that loud?
2) How do you already know the final price?

it has been on preorder for $399 from BFG already. it been quoted several times it will retail for $399.

that thing runs very hot has it is, going to a slower fan could risk burning it up. Now if they some how manage to get this thing to run a lot cooler then maybe.

Thank you Adul, now I don't have to waste my time replying. That's exactly what I was going to say.

Originally posted by: Hender
Definitely not right when it comes out. I'll be building a new computer towards the end of this year, maybe early next year, and I think maybe then I'd consider it, but not anywhere near now. Video cards when first released ar overpriced and underutilized, so there's literally no point in getting one, since it won't be taxed at all. I have a GeForce4 Ti4400 right now, and I haven't had a single performance problem with it, and I doubt anything released soon will touch it.

Even if it had been a 100% improvement over the Radeon 9700 Pro, who would care? Oooo, I get to play Unreal Tournament at 200 FPS isntead of 100!

I wouldn't buy a video card right after it was released either, but many do. That's why I'm curious as to whether or not those kinds of people will be buying this card when it comes out. And for the record, it's not about getting 200fps in UT 2003, it's about getting a repectable amount of fps with AA and AF turned up and a slightly higher resolution. Nobody spending that kind of money would leave those things turned down, are you crazy?!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dullard

Nah I read the whole thing. It wasn't that bad o' post. But I really don't want reposts, and I completely agree with what was said before. I just want to know if there is ANYONE that will buy this card, assuming that it doesn't change any between now and retail. The thing is, it's barely faster, much louder, and much more expensive than the competing ATI graphics solution.

Unless nVidia lowers the price drastically or tweaks the heck out of their drivers and gains some performance, I can't see them selling a single one of these cards. Am I wrong? Is there anyone who will buy this card in the first couple of months?

My questions to you:
1) Why do you think that the fan will always be that loud?
2) How do you already know the final price?

1) Why do you think it will be quieter?
2) Because it is the Official Nvidia MSRP.

Even if the FX DustBuster only came on occasionally it would still be annoying. EDIT: Since you are saying it is a "reference" card, do you REALLY think nVidia's manufacturing partners will be ABLE to come up with a BETTER cooling solution than the DESIGNERS?


And to answer Ilmater, "No", I don't think they will sell many cards and the ones they DO sell will get returned.

Just GO to NV (Nvidia) News Web Sites. The nVidiots - Nvidia fans - are either 1) in denial or 2) depressed and angry at nVidia.

 

[krackato]

There is no way I would ever put a card that loud in my system when I can cut the noise by 90% for about a 5-10% decrease in performance in a competing card (Radeon 9700pro). Hell, the Radeon actually beats it in a few benchmarks, and with FSAA and AF, it actually seems to be the superior card.

 

[fluxquantum]

i can't see laying down a bunch of smack for a stupid video card.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: apoppin

1) Why do you think it will be quieter?

ZING!

Originally posted by: krackato
There is no way I would ever put a card that loud in my system when I can cut the noise by 90% for about a 5-10% decrease in performance in a competing card (Radeon 9700pro). Hell, the Radeon actually beats it in a few benchmarks, and with FSAA and AF, it actually seems to be the superior card.

Just to be fair (and considering the thread, I'm clearly not an nVidiot), the few benchmarks that do beat the GFFX are the same benchmarks that ATI has always beat nVidia at, and that's with intense AA/AF/resolution settings. These benches usually come in at 30fps or worse, which is unplayable anyway, so who really cares about them. And on a side note, I'm very impressed with the gains that nVidia has made in these departments. There is little difference now between the performance losses of the GFFX and the ATI 9700 Pro. At least this is some glimmer of hope, IMO anyway.

Oh, though I should mention that the min fps benches here on AT do concern me....

 

[dullard]

Ilmater always refuses to answer questions like mine above for some reason.

1) Why do you think it will be quieter?
2) Because it is the Official Nvidia MSRP.

To answer your question: I posted my reasons above (a) since we have been told in several reviews that this isn't the final cooling solution that will be used - hence it is likely that it will be a different noise level and (b) since you are only hearing the volume at full speed and the fan should almost never be at full speed - with the exception of the computer bootup. Ilmater just cannot accept this. For #2, that is at release, you still haven't said a thing about the price down the line which none of us knows. Maybe, just maybe 1/2 year from now the price will be great and we will all want to buy it. Note: I realize part of this thread is on price right after release, but it quickly moved to "I will never ever buy it no matter what". The next GeForce FX may blow away the competition, but you all have said you'll never, ever buy any form of GeForce FX...

By the way, with the exception of one GeForceMX, all my computers use ATI cards. And I've posted many threads about crappy Nvidia cards that have failed at work and on my friends/families computers.