NOS and durability of an Engine

ndee

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Lets say you have a normal Subaru Impreza WRX and want to add some NOS. A friend of mine told me after 10'000miles, you can smoke the engine. I have to say I have no clue about cars or NOS, I'm just wondering cuz I just saw these Walser Supra Videos.

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RedRooster

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nitrous on any stock engine isn't going to be the best for it. Walser's engine alone probably cost more than a WRX, so if you put the right work into a motor, it'll take to fake speed much better.
I'd agree with your friend.
 

StageLeft

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There is no set mile amount. It depends on how strong the boost you're giving and of course how often it's used and things such as that. This is going on what I've heard on anandtech :)
 

mAdD INDIAN

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It depends on your driving style, how often you use it, and how much NOS you are injecting <size of 'shot'>.

A lot Maxima owners are running 100 shot of NOS on stock engine internals for over 30k miles on a 100k engine and they have made numerous 1/4mi passes and full throttle accel runs on the street.

It depends on the engine as well..the VQ loves NOS...I think I posted a dyno run before on a guy who got 385fwtq and 290fwhp on a shot of NOS with stock internals.
 

ndee

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
What is the point of installing NOS anyway. Are you dragracing?
Not yet, don't have an own car yet ;) But I'm just wondering. Those Walser Videos are wicked.

 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: blahblah99
Anyone know where I can pick up a supercharger besides Stillens for a 95 Maxima?

You mean pick up a supercharger from another vendor other than Stillen, or another type of supercharger kit? Stillen is the only company that develops a supercharger bolt-on kit for the Maxima, but you can get it from other vendors such as Avalon Racing, Got Rice?, etc.. for a cheaper price.

You can also get a custom turbo system done, which a few members of the Maxima.org community have done. Damn good results too!
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: ndee
what's a dyno run? (non-english speaker)


A dyno is a device which measures how much horsepower/torque a car is putting down to the wheels. The car is strapped on the dyno, and the drive wheels are on a roller. This is connected to a comptuer which shows the output.

Hope that explains things.
 

Rallispec

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Originally posted by: RedRooster
nitrous on any stock engine isn't going to be the best for it. Walser's engine alone probably cost more than a WRX, so if you put the right work into a motor, it'll take to fake speed much better.
I'd agree with your friend.

fake speed my ass.. there is nothing fake about nitrous. horsepower is horsepower, no matter how it is gotten. car going 90mph with nos is going the same speed as a car going 90mph with a turbo
 

RedRooster

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Originally posted by: Rallispec
Originally posted by: RedRooster
nitrous on any stock engine isn't going to be the best for it. Walser's engine alone probably cost more than a WRX, so if you put the right work into a motor, it'll take to fake speed much better.
I'd agree with your friend.

fake speed my ass.. there is nothing fake about nitrous. horsepower is horsepower, no matter how it is gotten. car going 90mph with nos is going the same speed as a car going 90mph with a turbo

Hey, I just don't like saying "nitrous" two times in the same post. Sue me.
 

Bignate603

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I know rotary engines are effected ALOT by NOS. Don't know about normal engines but I would assume it would reduce the life of the engine just because the parts aren't designed to have that much force on them and it would run hotter.
 

Mill

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Not going to get into this again, but nitrous is no more of a risk than a turbo or supercharger. Same principle. Colder more dense air=more power.
 

RedRooster

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Originally posted by: Millenium
Not going to get into this again, but nitrous is no more of a risk than a turbo or supercharger. Same principle. Colder more dense air=more power.

Isn't the method of delivery the factor that makes it less so? I've never used it, but from simply thinking about how each work, I would think nitrous would be more of a "shock" to a motor that with turbocharging, since it puts a huge stress for a short amount of time on the engine, rather than a lower stress that is always working and comes on gradually. No?
 

OS

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Originally posted by: ndee
Lets say you have a normal Subaru Impreza WRX and want to add some NOS. A friend of mine told me after 10'000miles, you can smoke the engine. I have to say I have no clue about cars or NOS, I'm just wondering cuz I just saw these Walser Supra Videos.

Thanks


imo, it doesn't make sense in building up a turbo car to start with nitrous. Since you are talking about the wrx, if you want to go faster, quick and dirty just get a boost controller and increase the boost. The turbo piping and everything is already there so take advantage of it. You can get bigger turbos and fuel injectors as necessary.


As for your friend, it sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about. You can't just say, 'oh yeah, he's spraying, his engine will blow up after 10k miles.' It's not a formula or rule like that. Nitrous is fairly safe for motors if you do it right and conservatively. Don't spray at low rpms, don't spray between shifts. Or that's what I'm told.


Finally, don't be fake and fruity and go out street racing just because you saw a cool video. Supposedly alot of teenagers got into big wrecks and some died because they went around street racing after they saw f&f.

 

OS

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Originally posted by: RedRooster
Originally posted by: Millenium
Not going to get into this again, but nitrous is no more of a risk than a turbo or supercharger. Same principle. Colder more dense air=more power.

Isn't the method of delivery the factor that makes it less so? I've never used it, but from simply thinking about how each work, I would think nitrous would be more of a "shock" to a motor that with turbocharging, since it puts a huge stress for a short amount of time on the engine, rather than a lower stress that is always working and comes on gradually. No?

Not really, he's talking about similar levels of boost. There isn't a big reliability difference between running say a 100 hp shot and getting an additional 100 hp from a turbo. I hear people who blow out their motors running high boost, same idea. This is as long as the nitrous setup was done properly and again you don't spray off the line and spray between shifts.

And finally, I hear you can get a progessive spray, but I haven't looked into that. I was thinking about getting a 55 shot for my car just for fun, but it's probably not a good idea to 'experiment' on my daily driver. :D

run the 50 shot to ur engine and the rest through a mouthpeice :Q :D
 

HydroStream6

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Just so you know, 'NOS' is a brand name for Holley's nitrous injection system, NOS is not an abbreviation for nitrous oxide... the abbreviation for nitrous oxide is N2O.

With that being said, if an engine is properly setup for the amount of nitrous you plan to run, it will be fine. Using nitrous doesn't automatically make your engine die after X miles. Depending on the engine, a small amount of nitrous can be injected on the stock engine with no problems. It just takes common sense and the proper setup. (for example, don't put a 300 shot of nitrous on a 1.9L Escort engine). Search for some WRX forums and see what the guys are running on their stock and modified engines and you should get a pretty good idea of what you can safely run. Also keep in mind that there are several different methods of nitrous injection, so do some research and see what can safely be put on your engine.
 

Mill

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Exactly. NOS!=nitrous. NOS=nitrous oxide systems.

Anyways, there are progressive nitrous controllers out there.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: Millenium
Exactly. NOS!=nitrous. NOS=nitrous oxide systems.

Anyways, there are progressive nitrous controllers out there.

Yep, but who cares either way? I don't see anyone calling tissue paper tissue paper, they call them Kleenexes. Whatever :)
 

Pacfanweb

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Basically, it's this simple:

Take 2 of the same engine:

Build one with 200 hp, one with 500 hp. Which one will wear out quicker? Obviously the 500hp will.

All nitrous does is for very short periods make the engine wear like it's a higher HP engine. This is ASSUMING that the internals are OK with higher HP, and the ignition and fuel systems can handle it, too.
If the above applies, then nitrous will be just fine.

Now if you're doing something crazy, like adding a 400 hp nitrous kit to a stock engine, of course it won't like it. But as long as the engine is built to make the extra horsepower, or is one of those stock engines that have proven able to handle a lot more than stock HP, you should be fine.

Example: my race truck has a big block with about 640 hp. The rods are stock, with ARP bolts. They are pretty much at the limit of how much HP they can take, so I wouldn't even consider adding just a 125 shot of nitrous....I'd probably have engine failure.
But if my exact same bottom end was built to make only 350 hp normally, I'd have no problem with a 200+ shot of nitrous, since the internals can handle 600+ hp.
Of course, it would last longer running around with only 350hp vs 640 hp. That's a given, since it's obvious that making almost 300 hp more will put more of a strain on the components.
I'd say that it would last longer as a 350 hp engine with a 290 shot of nitrous, since it would only use the full power when racing, not all the time. Lots less wear, less valve spring pressure, etc.
 

ndee

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Cool. Thanks guys. Some nice info.

Well he didn't say when you exactly hit 10'000 miles it will blow up, it'll just blow up quick...