North Korea sets off its 3rd nuclear test

[Xonim]

Sorta curious what's in the water over there that causes so many crazies...

Pretty much absolutely nothing will come of this, other than "harsh sanctions" that have worked OH SO WELL to curb Iran's nuclear program. The problem is, there's always a large ally somewhere that is unwilling to completely cut off the problem child. Until China's ready, NK is going to keep doing their thing.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So what do you think happens now?

Nothing! Other than sanctions and threats of sanctions against North Korea.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Brought to you by the polices of appeasement and meaningless finger wagging.

This situation will only end in one ultimate outcome which is either an all out conflict or acceptance of North Korea's dominance and eventual control of the region over South Korea.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Brought to you by the polices of appeasement and meaningless finger wagging.

This situation will only end in one ultimate outcome which is either an all out conflict or acceptance of North Korea's dominance and eventual control of the region over South Korea.

Or an implosion such as East Germany

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Or an implosion such as East Germany

Not likely to happen as the two nations are/were not even remotely similar in nature on many levels politically. For all intense purposes North Korea's regime is pretty much self-sustaining due their hermit kingdom mentality and decades worth of brain washing propaganda.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Unfortunately it looks like many of you were right. I figured this was significant enough to warrant, well, something...?

 

[88keys]

They don't have any oil or any other natural resource that we are aware of.

 

[UglyCasanova]

They don't have any oil or any other natural resource that we are aware of.

Neither did Afghanistan.

 

[fskimospy]

Brought to you by the polices of appeasement and meaningless finger wagging.

This situation will only end in one ultimate outcome which is either an all out conflict or acceptance of North Korea's dominance and eventual control of the region over South Korea.

Uhmmm...no. It will likely end in neither of those.

I would like to know what your preferred north Korea policy is though.

 

[Zebo]

They don't have any oil or any other natural resource that we are aware of.

Coincidentally they have some of the largest uranium mines/deposits in the world.

 

[Zebo]

Military option hasn't been one for 50+ years when they became a Chinese protectorate (who has nukes) and certainly not now when they can level SK on their own. Time to work with them not even sanctions IMO.

We called our nukes peacekeepers for a reason. I truly believe if everyone had them wars would end. Go NK. Go Iran. Go everyone.

 

[Murloc]

Neither did Afghanistan.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2936

NK is not going to attack the US so why do you care if they have nukes?
They know they're gonna get leveled if they attack.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Military option hasn't been one for 50+ years when they became a Chinese protectorate (who has nukes) and certainly not now when they can level SK on their own. Time to work with them not even sanctions IMO.

We called our nukes peacekeepers for a reason. I truly believe if everyone had them wars would end. Go NK. Go Iran. Go everyone.

They can heavily damage Seoul, not SK.

The problem with having nuke weapons available for anyone to use; is that rogue groups can then use them for blackmail against anyone that pisses them off.

 

[MarkLuvsCS]

Military option hasn't been one for 50+ years when they became a Chinese protectorate (who has nukes) and certainly not now when they can level SK on their own. Time to work with them not even sanctions IMO.

We called our nukes peacekeepers for a reason. I truly believe if everyone had them wars would end. Go NK. Go Iran. Go everyone.

That only works in a logical argument. The reality is people out there are willing to blow themselves up. You can't counter crazy with logic.

 

[mikeymikec]

Military option hasn't been one for 50+ years when they became a Chinese protectorate (who has nukes) and certainly not now when they can level SK on their own. Time to work with them not even sanctions IMO.

We called our nukes peacekeepers for a reason. I truly believe if everyone had them wars would end. Go NK. Go Iran. Go everyone.

You might want to read up about the US's history with regard to missile security (re: passwords) before advocating that everyone else should follow a similar line. At least it was probably unlikely that those guarding the US's missiles were likely to be bribed. The US's location also would have made nicking a nuke rather difficult.

http://www.damninteresting.com/ive-got-the-same-combination-on-my-luggage/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link

+1 the comment about logic vs. crazy.

The thing that I don't get is what NK hopes to achieve from this childish hostility (saying that the US is their sworn enemy etc). NK's only kind-of allies are going to be annoyed by their behaviour as well.

 

[blackangst1]

Neither did Afghanistan.

uh, opium?

 

[fskimospy]

That only works in a logical argument. The reality is people out there are willing to blow themselves up. You can't counter crazy with logic.

No nation capable of creating a nuclear weapon is willing to see itself destroyed. That goes for North Korea, Iran, etc.

 

[EagleKeeper]

No nation capable of creating a nuclear weapon is willing to see itself destroyed. That goes for North Korea, Iran, etc.

Should an unstable type government change or that it is overthrown???

Handouts to proxies is a big concern from my POV

 

[p0nd]

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=nort...ear+Test+Rd,+North+Hamgyong,+North+Korea&z=16

you have to love google maps. a hop skip and a jump to the east you'll find the Hwasong prison labor camp. on some level it is pretty funny that the nuke center and the gulag are plainly there on google for anyone to see. On the other hand, think about the people imprisoned there who are forced to dig tunnels into the side of the mountains in what's most likely irradiated land, 12+ hours a day with the most meager of necessities to barely survive until they're worked to death. NK is a fun place.

 

[fskimospy]

Should an unstable type government change or that it is overthrown???

Handouts to proxies is a big concern from my POV

I'm not at all concerned about handouts to proxies either. No nation would give a nuke that can be traced back to them to an actor they cannot control.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I'm not at all concerned about handouts to proxies either. No nation would give a nuke that can be traced back to them to an actor they cannot control.

voluntarily - no;
inside job - ??
theft - yes

Why is the US so concerned about Pakistan stability?
Why was so much extra security put into the removal of missiles from the Soviet satellites?

 

[fskimospy]

voluntarily - no;
inside job - ??
theft - yes

Why is the US so concerned about Pakistan stability?
Why was so much extra security put into the removal of missiles from the Soviet satellites?

By handouts I thought you meant voluntary distribution. Yes, I am also concerned about security, but I am most concerned about state failure.

I think NK having nukes is a horrible thing, I just don't know how to stop them short of something even worse.

 

[Acanthus]

Neither did Afghanistan.

Except for, you know, $1,000,000,000,000 in minerals, possibly more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...llion-of-mineral-reserves-in-Afghanistan.html

 

[tweaker2]

Except for, you know, $1,000,000,000,000 in minerals, possibly more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...llion-of-mineral-reserves-in-Afghanistan.html

And.....as history has pointed out: location.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Except for, you know, $1,000,000,000,000 in minerals, possibly more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...llion-of-mineral-reserves-in-Afghanistan.html

Well there you go then.