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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: K1052
This happens every once in a while, one of Kim's ploys to get more attention.
The rest of the world is busy with the Israel/Leb war and Iran.
I doubt he will actually test as it will only draw a negative response from basically everyone.
Exactly, Kim just feels "ronery".
As for the OP, you need to chill out with your 'we must invade now' attitude unless you plan on nuking China too.
As I said, I hope they don't.
But I do NOT need to chill on this point. NK's leadership is too unstable to have that capability. The capability needs to be removed permanently.
If they're just screwing around, fine. Let 'em. I don't believe we need to do anything but point and laugh at Kim's childish behaviour. But what if he really does get that capability? What if he decides to feel "ronery" again but with a multi-megaton nuke?
No, a full conventional invasion (I don't believe in using nukes except in a national survival situation) is absolutely necessary.
Does anybody really believe China would do more than get pissy in the UN if we invaded NK? Seriously? When WalMart is the 10th largest country China trades with? heh
Whats the problem with NK having nukes again? Do you actually think the us military could win the war?
Originally posted by: BrownTown
The problem with starting a war is that you can't get your assets to the region for weeks. It would take a month to get aircraft carriers there, and weeks to build up any troop presence threw airtransport (provided anyone woudl let us stage from their country). North Korea would know the attack was comming weeks if not months in advance, so they would ahve more then enough time to start all kinds of sh|t before we coudl get appriciable assets on the ground. Obviously our military is better, but North Korea would have leveled South Korea before they got there, and if they wanted to use their nukes they would take out some Japaneese cities to. The only thing we would to stop them would be to use nukes, or get China to beat them into submission.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: BrownTown
The problem with starting a war is that you can't get your assets to the region for weeks. It would take a month to get aircraft carriers there, and weeks to build up any troop presence threw airtransport (provided anyone woudl let us stage from their country). North Korea would know the attack was comming weeks if not months in advance, so they would ahve more then enough time to start all kinds of sh|t before we coudl get appriciable assets on the ground. Obviously our military is better, but North Korea would have leveled South Korea before they got there, and if they wanted to use their nukes they would take out some Japaneese cities to. The only thing we would to stop them would be to use nukes, or get China to beat them into submission.
Yeah, but in this case we already have a heck alot of troops, naval warships, and planes ALREADY in the area.
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: BrownTown
The problem with starting a war is that you can't get your assets to the region for weeks. It would take a month to get aircraft carriers there, and weeks to build up any troop presence threw airtransport (provided anyone woudl let us stage from their country). North Korea would know the attack was comming weeks if not months in advance, so they would ahve more then enough time to start all kinds of sh|t before we coudl get appriciable assets on the ground. Obviously our military is better, but North Korea would have leveled South Korea before they got there, and if they wanted to use their nukes they would take out some Japaneese cities to. The only thing we would to stop them would be to use nukes, or get China to beat them into submission.
Yeah, but in this case we already have a heck alot of troops, naval warships, and planes ALREADY in the area.
really, do you have any links to the deployments in this area? I was of the impression that the majority of our deployed forces were in the middle east, and of course alot of our stuff is here in the US.
Originally posted by: K1052
This happens every once in a while, one of Kim's ploys to get more attention.
The rest of the world is busy with the Israel/Leb war and Iran.
I doubt he will actually test as it will only draw a negative response from basically everyone.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: BrownTown
The problem with starting a war is that you can't get your assets to the region for weeks. It would take a month to get aircraft carriers there, and weeks to build up any troop presence threw airtransport (provided anyone woudl let us stage from their country). North Korea would know the attack was comming weeks if not months in advance, so they would ahve more then enough time to start all kinds of sh|t before we coudl get appriciable assets on the ground. Obviously our military is better, but North Korea would have leveled South Korea before they got there, and if they wanted to use their nukes they would take out some Japaneese cities to. The only thing we would to stop them would be to use nukes, or get China to beat them into submission.
Yeah, but in this case we already have a heck alot of troops, naval warships, and planes ALREADY in the area.
really, do you have any links to the deployments in this area? I was of the impression that the majority of our deployed forces were in the middle east, and of course alot of our stuff is here in the US.
AFAIK we have something like 50,000 troops just in NK. Warships were deployed to the area when we were anticipating a missile launch last month I believe. Don't we still still have troops in Japan too?
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: BrownTown
The problem with starting a war is that you can't get your assets to the region for weeks. It would take a month to get aircraft carriers there, and weeks to build up any troop presence threw airtransport (provided anyone woudl let us stage from their country). North Korea would know the attack was comming weeks if not months in advance, so they would ahve more then enough time to start all kinds of sh|t before we coudl get appriciable assets on the ground. Obviously our military is better, but North Korea would have leveled South Korea before they got there, and if they wanted to use their nukes they would take out some Japaneese cities to. The only thing we would to stop them would be to use nukes, or get China to beat them into submission.
Yeah, but in this case we already have a heck alot of troops, naval warships, and planes ALREADY in the area.
really, do you have any links to the deployments in this area? I was of the impression that the majority of our deployed forces were in the middle east, and of course alot of our stuff is here in the US.
AFAIK we have something like 50,000 troops just in NK. Warships were deployed to the area when we were anticipating a missile launch last month I believe. Don't we still still have troops in Japan too?
OK, so we ahve about a tenth the needed forces to win, somehow that doesnt seem promissing. When i say "win", i mean win with less than 100,000 dead.
Whoa Hoss. It's not so simple as that. Seoul south korea is held hostage to thousands of huge heavily entrenched artilery guns as well as perhaps even millions of rockets and missiles. They have had 50 years to stock up and upgrade weapons and plan for their use on both Seoul and our USA Defences entrenched there.Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: K1052
This happens every once in a while, one of Kim's ploys to get more attention.
The rest of the world is busy with the Israel/Leb war and Iran.
I doubt he will actually test as it will only draw a negative response from basically everyone.
Exactly, Kim just feels "ronery".
As for the OP, you need to chill out with your 'we must invade now' attitude unless you plan on nuking China too.
As I said, I hope they don't.
But I do NOT need to chill on this point. NK's leadership is too unstable to have that capability. The capability needs to be removed permanently.
If they're just screwing around, fine. Let 'em. I don't believe we need to do anything but point and laugh at Kim's childish behaviour. But what if he really does get that capability? What if he decides to feel "ronery" again but with a multi-megaton nuke?
No, a full conventional invasion (I don't believe in using nukes except in a national survival situation) is absolutely necessary.
Does anybody really believe China would do more than get pissy in the UN if we invaded NK? Seriously? When WalMart is the 10th largest country China trades with? heh
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I'm all for North Korea performing a nuclear test, providing:
A) The warhead is placed in the middle of the Peoples Park in the middle of their largest city.
B) The Communist Party Leadership gathers in a circle and dances around it like a conga line.
C) Kim Jong-Il sits on top of it and clicks the detonator.
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: K1052
This happens every once in a while, one of Kim's ploys to get more attention.
The rest of the world is busy with the Israel/Leb war and Iran.
I doubt he will actually test as it will only draw a negative response from basically everyone.
Exactly, Kim just feels "ronery".
As for the OP, you need to chill out with your 'we must invade now' attitude unless you plan on nuking China too.
As I said, I hope they don't.
But I do NOT need to chill on this point. NK's leadership is too unstable to have that capability. The capability needs to be removed permanently.
If they're just screwing around, fine. Let 'em. I don't believe we need to do anything but point and laugh at Kim's childish behaviour. But what if he really does get that capability? What if he decides to feel "ronery" again but with a multi-megaton nuke?
No, a full conventional invasion (I don't believe in using nukes except in a national survival situation) is absolutely necessary.
Does anybody really believe China would do more than get pissy in the UN if we invaded NK? Seriously? When WalMart is the 10th largest country China trades with? heh
Whats the problem with NK having nukes again? Do you actually think the us military could win the war?
Umm...... are you seriously doubting the ability of the US Army to crush North Korea?
:disgust:
Buddy we'd crush them in a matter of days.
We'd have complete control of the sea from day #1, and complete control of the sky within a few hours of fighting. We'd pound ANY potential launch sites from the safety of the air and the NK's wouldn't know what hit them.
Triple or quadrouple the US force in South Korea, they and the South Korean Army (which is alone probably a match for that of NK) advance Northward. From the east we launch an amphibious invasion using troops we have in Japan.
If the fighting in the south gets hot and the NK army doesn't retreat, these troops can go south and hit the NK rear. If the NK army retreats, these troops can cut off the retreat and crush the NK army.
Anyway, like I said, this is all theoretical. I REALLY think that the NK government would collapse before we'd actually won a military victory anyway.
Originally posted by: senseamp
China needs to press on NK to give up this foolishness, unless it wants to see a nuclear armed Japan.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: senseamp
China needs to press on NK to give up this foolishness, unless it wants to see a nuclear armed Japan.
Japan is already effectively nuclear armed, like several other coutries, they could have nuclear weapons in several days if they so choose.
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: senseamp
China needs to press on NK to give up this foolishness, unless it wants to see a nuclear armed Japan.
Japan is already effectively nuclear armed, like several other coutries, they could have nuclear weapons in several days if they so choose.
If you replaced the word "days", for "years" then you would be correct, things like nukes don't just pop outa thin air, even if you have all the facilities needed to make a bomb it doesnt mean you can get them all operating in bomb making mode in a few days.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: DurocShark
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: K1052
This happens every once in a while, one of Kim's ploys to get more attention.
The rest of the world is busy with the Israel/Leb war and Iran.
I doubt he will actually test as it will only draw a negative response from basically everyone.
Exactly, Kim just feels "ronery".
As for the OP, you need to chill out with your 'we must invade now' attitude unless you plan on nuking China too.
As I said, I hope they don't.
But I do NOT need to chill on this point. NK's leadership is too unstable to have that capability. The capability needs to be removed permanently.
If they're just screwing around, fine. Let 'em. I don't believe we need to do anything but point and laugh at Kim's childish behaviour. But what if he really does get that capability? What if he decides to feel "ronery" again but with a multi-megaton nuke?
No, a full conventional invasion (I don't believe in using nukes except in a national survival situation) is absolutely necessary.
Does anybody really believe China would do more than get pissy in the UN if we invaded NK? Seriously? When WalMart is the 10th largest country China trades with? heh
Whats the problem with NK having nukes again? Do you actually think the us military could win the war?
Umm...... are you seriously doubting the ability of the US Army to crush North Korea?
:disgust:
Buddy we'd crush them in a matter of days.
We'd have complete control of the sea from day #1, and complete control of the sky within a few hours of fighting. We'd pound ANY potential launch sites from the safety of the air and the NK's wouldn't know what hit them.
Triple or quadrouple the US force in South Korea, they and the South Korean Army (which is alone probably a match for that of NK) advance Northward. From the east we launch an amphibious invasion using troops we have in Japan.
If the fighting in the south gets hot and the NK army doesn't retreat, these troops can go south and hit the NK rear. If the NK army retreats, these troops can cut off the retreat and crush the NK army.
Anyway, like I said, this is all theoretical. I REALLY think that the NK government would collapse before we'd actually won a military victory anyway.
what a bunch of fanciful horsesht.