Don't forget, you've got Janet Jacksons boob to be outraged about today. North Korea just seems unimportant in comparison.
Don't forget, you've got Janet Jacksons boob to be outraged about today. North Korea just seems unimportant in comparison.
well america didnt lift a finger until it was directly attacked. britain at least declared war on hitler, albeit triggered by the invasion of i think checkslovacia(?) or poland, whichever, but it was near the start of his tyrrany, and we didnt know the full extent of what would happen then anyway. but the point is america didnt lift a finger all along, yet you are so proudly american. tell me what would have happened if japan hadnt miscalculated with pear harbour and britain had had to negotiate a ceasefire? and dont give me any bullcrp about russia fighting alone.
Get it right. Nobody declared war on Germany because Hitler was exterminating Jews. Those facts only started to come out well after the war started, and even then, saving the Jews was just a 'perk' to defeating Germany. The war started because the leaders of Europe got tired of caving in to Hitler's unreasonable demands.
There is a world of difference between people starving to death and people getting gassed wholesale style.
I can't believe you can actually rationalize these killings. We don't expect you to be personally wounded, but we sure as hell expect your brain to be able to say "hmm, gassing people is baaaaad."
Actually, if you look at the history of some of these, the lies and deception used to justify the invasion of Vietnam and Grenada closely resemble the lies used to get back into Iraq.
Really, Japan, Germany, and Korea were the only truly justifiable wars cited here, with Kosovo sitting on the fence. In those examples the US was responding to an invasion/attack of one or more sovereign powers by another, and the prime goal was to restore boarders and not change governments.
Panama also holds strong parallels to Iraq. The US was just fine with Noriega until he became too independent and started harassing their business and political interests in the region.
Oh, and sorry this isn't in P&N, but neither is the original post.
-- Jack
Beware of the man who won't be bothered with details.
-- William Feather
So will "gas chambers " become "WMDs made fit for 2004"??
Oil or no oil, invasion is not an option... especially when there is a North Korea friendly China close by.
Oil or no oil, invasion is not an option... especially when there is a North Korea friendly China close by.
China doesnt exactly like the fact, NK has nukes, or the fact that they are irritating the US. China doesnt want the US in its back yard. I dont think China would go as far as backing NK if the worst case scenario happens.
True, but it would still require a very tactfull diplomatic approach to the chinese before any actual military action. And tactfull diplomacy was not one of the Bush administrations strong points in 2003 and that's putting it very mildly indeed. A green light from Beijing would require alot of bartering and most likely economic concessions, make no mistake if it does come to this the chinese will milk it for all its worth. Especially when you consider the fact that the chinese Peoples Liberation Army is HUGE and could make short work out of NK if they were to become to uncomfortable for Beijing... no need having the US army around at all when you can get rid of the problem yourself.
Take the worst things you've heard about Nazi Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union, and Pol Pot's Cambodia, and concentrate them all in one place over 50 years -- that's North Korea.
If you're so pressed for time, then why did you bother posting in the thread (and continue to do so)?
If you're so pressed for time, then why did you bother posting in the thread (and continue to do so)?
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Well Texas takes care of most of them, but we are talking about murders and criminals. I would be hard pressed to find a reason to gass a whole family. Hell supreme court even outlawed killing the mentally handicapped. These were most likely politcal dissinents not criminals, and until we start gassing all the stupid liberal idiots who just complain and say everything is because of oil, wel then there really is a world of difference. Though I am not saying all the stupid people who don't understand politics or economics shouldn't be gassed, I am saying that it is a big difference. And the fact that most all of the people in this thread haven't been locked up in a work camp and starved to death, I will assume that the US is THAT bad. Enjoy the rights you have, but realize that many people in this world are deprived of those basic rights. Also I am not saying that the recent conflicts or wars have not been unjust, I am just saying that it is hard to judge when most of you don't understand the effect of flooding a market with oil (btw it hurts oil companies if you didn't know).
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