North Carolina Program Pays Girls a Dollar a Day Not to Get Pregnant

Amused

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:laugh:North Carolina Program Pays Girls a Dollar a Day Not to Get Pregnant:laugh:
Thursday, June 25, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller

A dollar a day keeps the babies away.

That's the incentive behind College Bound Sisters, a program at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro that aims to keep 12- to 18-year-old girls in school and baby-free.

Girls in the program attend 90-minute meetings every week at which they receive lessons in abstinence and the use of contraceptives ? and they receive $7 every week they do not get pregnant. The money is deposited into a fund that's collectible when they enroll in college.

But not everyone thinks paying kids to stay childless is the right way to lower the teen pregnancy rate. They say the program sends mixed messages, specifically to parents, that incentivizing good behavior is the way to go.

"It makes me a bit uneasy," said Bill Albert, chief program officer at the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy. "I do have mixed feelings. It's hard to pay people to do something that we think they should be doing regardless. It would be like if you didn't want young people to experiment with marijuana, you'd pay them not to do it."

Despite what he called his "gut-level queasiness" about paying girls not to get pregnant, Albert acknowledged that creative ways are needed to address the "very challenging social issue" of teen pregnancy.

The nation's teen birth rate, after declining for 14 consecutive years, has increased over the last two years and now stands at 7.2 pregnancies per 1,000 teenage girls, Albert said. Furthermore, he said, three out of 10 young women become pregnant by age 20, and costs associated with teen pregnancies exceed $9 billion annually.

With those figures in mind, paying girls $365 a year to stay childless seems like a "modest investment" ? especially if the program works, Albert said.

Dr. Hazel Brown, co-director of the program, said six girls of the 125 who have been enrolled for six months or longer have gotten pregnant or otherwise dropped out since it began in 1997. Funded by a grant from the state's Department of Health and Human Services, Brown said it costs about $75,000 a year to operate the program.

"We talk about abstinence, but it's not a requirement," Brown told FOXNews.com. "We teach decision-making, being responsible and avoiding pregnancy. The meetings are very interactive."

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

Recent graduates have left the program with up to $3,000 saved up for college, including four young women who are set to begin their higher education in the fall.

Brown said the program is successful, and said its critics should consider the "cost of a teen getting pregnant," Brown said.

"When you can prevent one of those, you've more than paid for a program like this," she said. "We want to give them something to work toward. And without exception, our girls have come from homes that did not have someone with a college education ?

"If somebody believes in you, there's no end to what a lot of people can accomplish."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529037,00.html
 

MrDudeMan

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I don't see it being effective. I bet the average participant won't change their behavior at all and either end up pregnant or lucky.
 

Mo0o

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No. These people are borderline retarded anyways. If you're going to be giving away money, it can't be stored away for a college fund, it needs to be paid out every week so they can actually use it. Or increase the funding and do $10 per week to spend and another $10 for college.
 

JS80

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This is kind of like how the Planned Parenthood founder founded the organization so black women would abort their babies
 

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I'm all for encouraging teen girls to avoid pregnancy through education about both abstinence and contraception, but somehow I think paying them isn't the answer.

I like the idea of the interactive meetings, but I think other things are needed. Foster young girls' interests in areas outside of school, whether art, music, sports, volunteering, etc. Getting them involved in activities they enjoy, coupled with good sex education, is what will help them approach sex responsibly.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: JS80
This is kind of like how the Planned Parenthood founder founded the organization so black women would abort their babies

I never understood the point in pointing out Margret Sanger's support of Eugenics. It's not like the organization comes anywhere close to supporting it now.

I also never understood why any true fiscal conservative would oppose abortion. :p
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JS80
This is kind of like how the Planned Parenthood founder founded the organization so black women would abort their babies

I never understood the point in pointing out Margret Sanger's support of Eugenics. It's not like the organization come anywhere close to supporting it now.

I also never understood why any true fiscal conservative would oppose abortion. :p

I have a heart! I swear!

It's fun to point her out because her ultimate goal is being fulfilled in different packaging.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JS80
This is kind of like how the Planned Parenthood founder founded the organization so black women would abort their babies

I never understood the point in pointing out Margret Sanger's support of Eugenics. It's not like the organization come anywhere close to supporting it now.

I also never understood why any true fiscal conservative would oppose abortion. :p

I have a heart! I swear!

It's fun to point her out because her ultimate goal is being fulfilled in different packaging.

Actually, the exact opposite of her goal is being fulfilled.

But that's neither here nor there.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JS80
This is kind of like how the Planned Parenthood founder founded the organization so black women would abort their babies

I never understood the point in pointing out Margret Sanger's support of Eugenics. It's not like the organization come anywhere close to supporting it now.

I also never understood why any true fiscal conservative would oppose abortion. :p

I have a heart! I swear!

It's fun to point her out because her ultimate goal is being fulfilled in different packaging.

Actually, the exact opposite of her goal is being fulfilled.

But that's neither here nor there.

I want to debate you over PM but I'm going to chicken out and say my PM box is full.
 

mcmilljb

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I would also like to point something out for anti wall of text ATOTers.

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

This program is not that big, and it's limited in scope. But...

My question is who thought this was a really great idea? Seriously. You honestly think they saw their sister's pregnancy and said, "Oh hell yeah! I want to get knocked up!" I don't think so. I'm sure seeing it first hand lets them see how negatively it affected their life. If you really need this program, I think you need to be looking at your sex ed program again.
 

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
I would also like to point something out for anti wall of text ATOTers.

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

This program is not that big, and it's limited in scope. But...

My question is who thought this was a really great idea? Seriously. You honestly think they saw their sister's pregnancy and said, "Oh hell yeah! I want to get knocked up!" I don't think so. I'm sure seeing it first hand lets them see how negatively it affected their life. If you really need this program, I think you need to be looking at your sex ed program again.

You'd be REALLY surprised. They see that baby and all of a sudden they want one too.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: JS80
This is kind of like how the Planned Parenthood founder founded the organization so black women would abort their babies

I never understood the point in pointing out Margret Sanger's support of Eugenics. It's not like the organization come anywhere close to supporting it now.

I also never understood why any true fiscal conservative would oppose abortion. :p

I have a heart! I swear!

It's fun to point her out because her ultimate goal is being fulfilled in different packaging.

Actually, the exact opposite of her goal is being fulfilled.

But that's neither here nor there.

I want to debate you over PM but I'm going to chicken out and say my PM box is full.

:laugh:
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
I would also like to point something out for anti wall of text ATOTers.

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

This program is not that big, and it's limited in scope. But...

My question is who thought this was a really great idea? Seriously. You honestly think they saw their sister's pregnancy and said, "Oh hell yeah! I want to get knocked up!" I don't think so. I'm sure seeing it first hand lets them see how negatively it affected their life. If you really need this program, I think you need to be looking at your sex ed program again.

You'd be REALLY surprised. They see that baby and all of a sudden they want one too.

Baby envy?
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
I would also like to point something out for anti wall of text ATOTers.

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

This program is not that big, and it's limited in scope. But...

My question is who thought this was a really great idea? Seriously. You honestly think they saw their sister's pregnancy and said, "Oh hell yeah! I want to get knocked up!" I don't think so. I'm sure seeing it first hand lets them see how negatively it affected their life. If you really need this program, I think you need to be looking at your sex ed program again.

It also implies they're in a highrisk environment/family since a teenage pregnancy has already occured.
 

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
I would also like to point something out for anti wall of text ATOTers.

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

This program is not that big, and it's limited in scope. But...

My question is who thought this was a really great idea? Seriously. You honestly think they saw their sister's pregnancy and said, "Oh hell yeah! I want to get knocked up!" I don't think so. I'm sure seeing it first hand lets them see how negatively it affected their life. If you really need this program, I think you need to be looking at your sex ed program again.

I highly doubt most of the teen prego's get pregnant because they want a baby....more like they are too stupid to use protection.
 

Svnla

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Wow, get pay to be responsible? :shocked:


Good god, I arrived to the US with no money and nothing but clothes on my back..and did all the right things to be a productive citizen/decent human being....WHERE IS MY MONEY??? Oh..I also take that 2 mules and 40 acres of land too..thanks a bunch!!!
 

AreaCode707

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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
I would also like to point something out for anti wall of text ATOTers.

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

This program is not that big, and it's limited in scope. But...

My question is who thought this was a really great idea? Seriously. You honestly think they saw their sister's pregnancy and said, "Oh hell yeah! I want to get knocked up!" I don't think so. I'm sure seeing it first hand lets them see how negatively it affected their life. If you really need this program, I think you need to be looking at your sex ed program again.

I highly doubt most of the teen prego's get pregnant because they want a baby....more like they are too stupid to use protection.

Actually, a lot of lower-income teen girls see having babies as a way to achieve stability in their lives, keep their boyfriend's love, have kinship with their friends who are already parents, and remain a part of a family unit instead of going into the big scary world on their own. Teen pregnancy in some demographics isn't usually accidental, it's quite often very intentional.
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
I would also like to point something out for anti wall of text ATOTers.

Enrollment in the program ? which meets separately twice a week for two groups, ages 12-14 and 15-18 ? is at capacity with 24 young women. To participate, girls must have never been pregnant, be enrolled in school, have a desire to attend college and have had a sister who gave birth before age 18.

This program is not that big, and it's limited in scope. But...

My question is who thought this was a really great idea? Seriously. You honestly think they saw their sister's pregnancy and said, "Oh hell yeah! I want to get knocked up!" I don't think so. I'm sure seeing it first hand lets them see how negatively it affected their life. If you really need this program, I think you need to be looking at your sex ed program again.

It also implies they're in a highrisk environment/family since a teenage pregnancy has already occured.

I think you make fair comment, but then we have to ask other questions. How many pregnant teenagers have sisters who were also pregnant teenagers? Does this really raise the risk of a teen getting pregnant?

I'm not saying this to be a total dick, but I think it's fair to ask some questions.