North Carolina License No longer Same Day

NoStateofMind

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I just saw on the news here that you will no longer be able to get your license the same day. You will be issued a "temporary license" for twenty days while the state runs an extensive background check. They say its to "deter identity theft". I love how my privacy will be invaded even more in the sake of my own safety. How nice of them

New Driver's License System Aims To Put More American Data in Government Hands

U.S. State Department Approves RFID Passports Amidst Privacy Concerns



:thumbsdown: :roll:

It was only like a 20 second clip, I'm trying to find a link. I know it was on this channel:
http://www.wbtv.com/

Here's the link:

Don?t expect to get your license at the DMV anymore

RALEIGH ? In a little less than six months, North Carolina motorists going to the DMV to get a new driver?s license or to renew their old one could be in for a surprise.

Beginning July 1, motorists will no longer get their diver?s license on the spot. Instead, they?ll be issued a 20-day certificate to drive. Identification documents that you provided to the DMV will be scanned in and officials in Raleigh will review them for authenticity. If everything turns out OK, your driver?s license will be mailed to your residential address. Post office box addresses won?t be accepted.

?It?s a way to make your driver?s license compliant with the requirements of the Real ID Act,? said Marge Howell, a spokeswoman for the Division of Motor Vehicles. ?We feel like our driver?s license will meet those requirements.?

Some requirements for proving residency and legality for immigrants are already in place. However, those requirements, coupled with the new central license issuance law, could require some planning ahead for motorists.

Since most driver?s licenses expire on a birthday, motorists may not want to wait until the birthday arrives to get a renewal, particularly if they will need a license for identification purposes, Howell said. The temporary certificate is for driving purposes only. It will be on a sheet of paper and won?t contain a picture.

People going to the DMV to get an identification card will also have to get their card in the mail at their physical address. However, they won?t be given a temporary certificate, just a receipt.

Reaction to the new system is mixed.

Tom Crosby, vice president of communications at AAA Carolinas, said the minor inconveniences pale in compareson to the benefits.

?A little inconvenience is a small price to pay for security,? Crosby said. ?Driving is a privilege, not a right.?

Sarah Preston, legislative director for the ACLU of North Carolina, disagrees.

?The ACLU objects to any actions that would bring North Carolina more in compliance with Real ID,? Preston said. ?We object to the idea of a national ID card.?

Preston said the national ID card will create an opportunity for hackers to access the national database and make identity fraud easier. And she questioned whether having such a card would actually make us more secure.

?If we?re talking about safety on the roads, we should be encouraging people to get driver?s licenses,? she said. The setup for the Real ID Act discourages that, she said.

She questioned whether establishing watch lists at airports would improve security.

?All kinds of people are getting on this list who shouldn?t be on it,? Preston said. ?And people aren?t on who should be on it.?

Crosby, however, said that people utilizing the privilege of driving should be willing to abide by the inconveniences that come with the privilege.

?It?s unfortunate, but maybe it?s unavoidable given what?s happening in our world today,? Crosby said.

?It?s going to mean repeated trips to the DMV for some people,? Preston said. It could keep homeless people and others who don?t get their mail at home from getting their ID cards, she said.

One of the manifestations of the driver?s license requirements is that the name on the driver?s license will have to match the motorist?s name with the Social Security Administration. Since the DMV is now requiring full names on driver?s licenses, which could present some problems for a motorist whose name on his or her Social Security account includes a person?s initial. The same holds true for women who have their maiden name on file with the Social Security Administration but want their married name on their driver?s license.

?What we do is check your name and Social Security number against what the Social Security Administration has,? Howell said. ?We have access to their system so that we can do that when you come in.?

Howell suggests that people make the necessary changes with the Social Security Administration ahead of time.

Robert Fournoy, district manager for the Social Security Administration in Raleigh, said that original documents or certified copies of birth certificates and marriage certificates are generally required if a person wants to change his or her name on their Social Security account.

Howell reminded motorists that they can renew their license up to 180 days before they expire. So she suggested anyone unsure about whether they?ll encounter any problems because of the new requirements contact the DMV well ahead of their expiration date. She said that the DMV, which currently sends out driver?s license renewal notices two months before a person?s expiration date, will begin sending the renewal notices out three months ahead of time.

Step by step, inch by inch.....
 

nageov3t

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oh no!

they might find out... um, everything they know already because I had to apply for my license.
 

Pabster

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Yeah...The privacy implications are stunning here. :roll:

No offense, PC Surgeon, but you really seem like a solution desperately seeking problems.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Yeah...The privacy implications are stunning here. :roll:

No offense, PC Surgeon, but you really seem like a solution desperately seeking problems.


I think its important for people to know what their government is requiring of them. I feel this is too much to ask. Maybe you don't, if you like the real ID crap, then go for it.

 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: loki8481
oh no!

they might find out... um, everything they know already because I had to apply for my license.

Exactly. You made my point while trying to discredit my argument. If they already have this information, why the 20 day background check?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
oh no!

they might find out... um, everything they know already because I had to apply for my license.

Exactly. You made my point while trying to discredit my argument. If they already have this information, why the 20 day background check?

to verify that it's not a random dummy address that I setup to have a driver's license set to in order to avoid implicating myself in the scam?
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I think its important for people to know what their government is requiring of them. I feel this is too much to ask. Maybe you don't, if you like the real ID crap, then go for it.

Aren't you stretching...just a bit? Real ID is going nowhere.

The fact of the matter is that driving is a privilege. You can always choose to either not drive, or drive without a license and accept the consequences for your renegade attitude.

Railing against "big government" is fine, but don't go seeking boogeymen. There's plenty of real ones out there to be concerned about.

 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
oh no!

they might find out... um, everything they know already because I had to apply for my license.

Exactly. You made my point while trying to discredit my argument. If they already have this information, why the 20 day background check?

to verify that it's not a random dummy address that I setup to have a driver's license set to in order to avoid implicating myself in the scam?

You already made the argument that they have your information. Now you have found a new set of goal posts. ok, I'll go along.

You have to have a few different forms of ID. The last time I went, I had to have a piece of mail with my name, birth certificate, social security card and my old ID from the same state. Not to mention cash in hand. Now there would have to be a lot of forging going on in order for me to get an ID. Besides, I was already in "their system" from my old ID. So you are telling me, after 15yrs in their system, that I still have to bring all this shit and still have to wait 20 days for a background check? Are you fucking kidding me?

Now come back saying how it isn't an inconvenience and how its actually saving me from harm one way or another. You surprise me none. Are you a government/corporate shill? Sometimes I start to wonder.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I think its important for people to know what their government is requiring of them. I feel this is too much to ask. Maybe you don't, if you like the real ID crap, then go for it.

Aren't you stretching...just a bit? Real ID is going nowhere.

The fact of the matter is that driving is a privilege. You can always choose to either not drive, or drive without a license and accept the consequences for your renegade attitude.

Railing against "big government" is fine, but don't go seeking boogeymen. There's plenty of real ones out there to be concerned about.

Did you read the article? They are trying to be "in compliance" with the real ID. So whether its going to be passed or not doesn't matter. They are already doing it. Besides, it doesn't have to be a license to drive, it could be just a simple ID.

This is another example of big government my friend, sad you can see that, even though I'm not surprised.
 

Pabster

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Hmmm. I recall the last time I let my license go 1 day past renewal limit. ONE FREAKING DAY. Not only did I have to take the driving test, I had to provide documents as well. And I've been 'in the system' for years.

My point is that North Carolina doesn't appear out of line here. Iowa does the same thing, save the 20-day 'temporary' license. But it's not like you have to physically go back to the DMV.

What do you propose? Just hand out the licenses and renewals like condoms in schools these days?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
oh no!

they might find out... um, everything they know already because I had to apply for my license.

Exactly. You made my point while trying to discredit my argument. If they already have this information, why the 20 day background check?

to verify that it's not a random dummy address that I setup to have a driver's license set to in order to avoid implicating myself in the scam?

You already made the argument that they have your information. Now you have found a new set of goal posts. ok, I'll go along.

You have to have a few different forms of ID. The last time I went, I had to have a piece of mail with my name, birth certificate, social security card and my old ID from the same state. Not to mention cash in hand. Now there would have to be a lot of forging going on in order for me to get an ID. Besides, I was already in "their system" from my old ID. So you are telling me, after 15yrs in their system, that I still have to bring all this shit and still have to wait 20 days for a background check? Are you fucking kidding me?

Now come back saying how it isn't an inconvenience and how its actually saving me from harm one way or another. You surprise me none. Are you a government/corporate shill? Sometimes I start to wonder.

how's it an inconvenience? they give you a temporary license.

my point was, you give them the info, and now, instead of just assuming it's right, they actually verify it. I don't see the big deal.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
oh no!

they might find out... um, everything they know already because I had to apply for my license.

Exactly. You made my point while trying to discredit my argument. If they already have this information, why the 20 day background check?

to verify that it's not a random dummy address that I setup to have a driver's license set to in order to avoid implicating myself in the scam?

You already made the argument that they have your information. Now you have found a new set of goal posts. ok, I'll go along.

You have to have a few different forms of ID. The last time I went, I had to have a piece of mail with my name, birth certificate, social security card and my old ID from the same state. Not to mention cash in hand. Now there would have to be a lot of forging going on in order for me to get an ID. Besides, I was already in "their system" from my old ID. So you are telling me, after 15yrs in their system, that I still have to bring all this shit and still have to wait 20 days for a background check? Are you fucking kidding me?

Now come back saying how it isn't an inconvenience and how its actually saving me from harm one way or another. You surprise me none. Are you a government/corporate shill? Sometimes I start to wonder.

how's it an inconvenience? they give you a temporary license.

my point was, you give them the info, and now, instead of just assuming it's right, they actually verify it. I don't see the big deal.

Your right, no big deal.

Step by step, inch by inch......
 

LTC8K6

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With the licenses being made off site at one location, there's no way you can get it the same day anyway.

I just got my new NC license. It took about 10 minutes, most of which was waiting for the license to pop out of the machine. It expires in 2015.

By then I'll probably have a chip in me that ID's me. :D
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: loki8481
oh no!

they might find out... um, everything they know already because I had to apply for my license.

Exactly. You made my point while trying to discredit my argument. If they already have this information, why the 20 day background check?

to verify that it's not a random dummy address that I setup to have a driver's license set to in order to avoid implicating myself in the scam?

You already made the argument that they have your information. Now you have found a new set of goal posts. ok, I'll go along.

You have to have a few different forms of ID. The last time I went, I had to have a piece of mail with my name, birth certificate, social security card and my old ID from the same state. Not to mention cash in hand. Now there would have to be a lot of forging going on in order for me to get an ID. Besides, I was already in "their system" from my old ID. So you are telling me, after 15yrs in their system, that I still have to bring all this shit and still have to wait 20 days for a background check? Are you fucking kidding me?

Now come back saying how it isn't an inconvenience and how its actually saving me from harm one way or another. You surprise me none. Are you a government/corporate shill? Sometimes I start to wonder.

how's it an inconvenience? they give you a temporary license.

my point was, you give them the info, and now, instead of just assuming it's right, they actually verify it. I don't see the big deal.

Your right, no big deal.

Step by step, inch by inch......

yeah, first they verify the information that you willingly, under no obligation, gave them... next they'll... verify it harder? idk.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: loki8481

yeah, first they verify the information that you willingly, under no obligation, gave them... next they'll... verify it harder? idk.

Yeah, I think even an ID is needed for a job these days. Well, unless of course, you're illegal. Then you get one no problem. :roll:
 

spittledip

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This Real ID is most likely the RFID chipped thing. It is supposed to be mandatory for all people in the US to have for international travel and other things in May of this year. That is probably why there is a 20 day wait. So even if you have a license already, you will need to get this bastard too. bad news...
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I think its important for people to know what their government is requiring of them. I feel this is too much to ask. Maybe you don't, if you like the real ID crap, then go for it.

Aren't you stretching...just a bit? Real ID is going nowhere.

The fact of the matter is that driving is a privilege. You can always choose to either not drive, or drive without a license and accept the consequences for your renegade attitude.

Railing against "big government" is fine, but don't go seeking boogeymen. There's plenty of real ones out there to be concerned about.

Exactly...let`s see a real boogeyman.....such as Ron whats his name...
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
I think its important for people to know what their government is requiring of them. I feel this is too much to ask. Maybe you don't, if you like the real ID crap, then go for it.

Aren't you stretching...just a bit? Real ID is going nowhere.

The fact of the matter is that driving is a privilege. You can always choose to either not drive, or drive without a license and accept the consequences for your renegade attitude.

Railing against "big government" is fine, but don't go seeking boogeymen. There's plenty of real ones out there to be concerned about.

Exactly...let`s see a real boogeyman.....such as Ron whats his name...

The "yes man" rears his ugly head.
 

BoomerD

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I've held driver's licenses in 5 states in my life. I think only Colorado and Utah actually issued the driver's license on the spot. In Washington, Wyoming, and Kahleeforneeya, each state took the photo, gave me a temporary license, and mailed the actual photo ID license to me.
What's the big problem with this?
Are you that frustrated that Ron "Almost Placed" Paul did so poorly in New Hampshire that you lash out at any little inconvenience like it's the end of the world?
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Pabster
Yeah...The privacy implications are stunning here. :roll:

No offense, PC Surgeon, but you really seem like a solution desperately seeking problems.


I think its important for people to know what their government is requiring of them. I feel this is too much to ask. Maybe you don't, if you like the real ID crap, then go for it.

Explain to me exactly what your government doesn't already know about you? To me this process does appear to be what they are claiming, to make sure the person who claims to be you is really you.

You want to know how little privacy you have. An ex-girlfriend of mine found out where I lived by searching ONLINE GOVERNMENT provided tax records. She check the county and neighboring counties for where I lived until she located me. I am unlisted in the phone and don't have my name on the net in any simple method to locate - let alone physical address. So not only did she get my home address, based on the tax valuation of my home she could pretty much estimate how much I made.

 

rpanic

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Identity theft is out of control, and they are giving a temporary one so what is the problem. Mostly thanks to Illegal Immigration, which is out of control there now.