North America Overtaken by Europe as the World?s Richest Region

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Boston Consulting Group Press Release

North America Overtaken by Europe as the World?s Richest Region, as Equity-Heavy U.S. Investors Are Hit with Steep Losses, Says Report by The Boston Consulting Group.

NEW YORK, September 15, 2009?The crisis is transforming the global map of the world?s wealthiest people, with Europe nudging out North America as the richest region, according to a new report by The Boston Consulting Group (BCG). The report, titled Delivering on the Client Promise: Global Wealth 2009, is being released today.

Global wealth fell from $104.7 trillion in 2007, measured in assets under management (AuM), to $92.4 trillion in 2008?a decline of 11.7 percent. It was the first decline since 2001.1

The steepest decline was in North America, where wealth plummeted by 21.8 percent last year.

In North America, the share of wealth held in equities fell from 50 percent in 2007 to 38 percent in 2008?but the region still had the highest proportion of wealth held in equities.

Europe had $32.7 trillion in AuM, down 5.8 percent from the previous year, followed by North America, with $29.3 trillion in AuM.

Latin America was the only region where wealth increased?its AuM grew by 3 percent in 2008.

The number of millionaire households worldwide fell from 11 million to about 9 million?a drop of 17.8 percent. The decline was steepest in North America and Europe, at 22 percent in both regions, although the United States continued to have the most millionaire households?nearly 4 million.

Singapore had the highest concentration of millionaires, with 8.5 percent of the country?s households owning more than $1 million.

Three of the six densest millionaire populations were in the Middle East?in Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.

The crisis also narrowed the gap between the wealthy and nonwealthy. Wealth owned by households with less than $100,000 in AuM increased by 2 percent in 2008. It declined in all other segments. Among households with more than $5 million in AuM, wealth fell by 21.5 percent.

?Wealth will begin a slow recovery in 2010 but may not reach its precrisis level until 2013,? said Peter Damisch, a BCG partner and a coauthor of the report. ?We expect wealth to grow at an average annual rate of about 4 percent from year-end 2008 through 2013.? Wealth will grow fastest in Asia-Pacific (excluding Japan) at 9.5 percent per year over the same period, he added.

Offshore wealth fell to $6.7 trillion in 2008, down from $7.3 trillion in 2007. Switzerland remained the largest offshore center. It accounted for $1.8 trillion, or 28 percent, of offshore wealth last year.

Increased regulatory scrutiny is changing the landscape of cross-border wealth management, with pressure mounting on offshore centers that have based their edge primarily on tax avoidance. ?Once their tax and legal advantages evaporate, so too will their appeal,? Damisch said. ?Being inconspicuous is a tenuous value proposition in an era of increasing oversight.?

Some nontraditional offshore centers?including several outside Europe?remain poised for growth. Singapore and Hong Kong, in particular, will continue to benefit from their proximity to other Asian countries, where wealth is expected to stage a faster recovery.

?Iconic offshore centers, like Switzerland, will remain competitive, but even the most venerable institutions will need to emphasize their underlying capabilities as international wealth managers,? said Damisch.

The wealth management industry has weathered the storm better than most other financial-services sectors, but it was hardly unscathed. Among the 124 institutions in BCG?s benchmarking study, the median pretax profit margin fell to 30.0 percent in 2008, down from 36.4 percent in 2007.

Performance was dampened by client behavior. Stung by losses and scandals, clients shifted their assets to basic, low-margin investments. ?Dazzling product complexity is no longer seen as a positive attribute?if it ever really was,? said Bruce Holley, a BCG senior partner and a coauthor of the report. ?It is unclear when?and to what extent?assets will migrate back to high-margin investments, but wealth managers cannot count on a strong resurgence of these products in the short term.?

?The industry will need to do more with less,? continued Holley. ?Revenues and profitability are sliding, but clients want more intensive service. Wealth managers have an opportunity to gain ground while assets and relationships remain in play, but only if they define a clear value proposition?many, for example, will be able to enhance their offering by narrowing their product range. They also need a more aggressive client-acquisition strategy?one that zeroes in on 'dislocated' wealth?in order to gain share in this market.?

The report also includes insights into other topics:

-The response of Swiss banks to the reallocation of assets to basic products
-Strategies for serving lower-tier clients
-Responses of U.S. wealth managers to the crisis
-The changing dynamics of Latin America?s wealth market

The levels and changes in AuM in this release were measured in local currencies and converted into U.S. dollars using end-of-year 2008 exchange rates to exclude the effects of exchange rate fluctuations.

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So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
 
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The sky is falling!

Yeah, Asia with their 2 billion + people is going to overtake the US.... it might be the 'richest' region soon, but that doesn't mean squat with their standard of living in the dump.
 

MovingTarget

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This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

So what do you propose, keeping the Republican status quo that brought the country down to begin with?

Fucking idiot.
 

DesiPower

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.

hey we have more important issues to deal with here like Omabacare, apologizing to the whole world for being rich, etc, etc - fuck economy man...

Oh I have another solution, Take away the life's savings from the handful of ppl who still have jobs and distribute it amongst the poor, illegal immigrants and welfare parasites and we will be the #1 nation again!!! :beer:
 

Genx87

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Heh 120 years ago

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our agricultural base. What we need is a real agricultural policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the factory workers to produce wealth. Manufacturing economy....what a crock.

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 120 years ago

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our agricultural base. What we need is a real agricultural policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the factory workers to produce wealth. Manufacturing economy....what a crock.

The difference is that you moved your own people from agriculture to manufacturing in your own country. Now you're moving your own people from manufacturing to service buy/sell jobs in your own country while sending jobs that create value out the door. Not the same at all.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: DesiPower
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.

hey we have more important issues to deal with here like Omabacare, apologizing to the whole world for being rich, etc, etc - fuck economy man...

Oh I have another solution, Take away the files savings from the handful of ppl who still have jobs and distribute it amongst the poor, illegal immigrants and welfare parasites and we will be the #1 nation again!!! :beer:

Hey, good job on making a dumb post.

'the decline of America is in full swing'? If you are worried by the fact that regions with considerably larger populations than US, (830 million compared to 530 million) are able to amass greater wealth than us, I don't know what to tell you other than 'no duh'? The position occupied by the US since 1945 was unsustainable, everyone knew it. No country has ever stood astride the world in the manner that we did, and it's quite likely none will again. (at least in our lifetimes) The US is doing just fine.

I do find it interesting that all the evil socialist countries in Europe are overtaking the US. Maybe we should take a clue from them and socialize our health care system as they have... as obviously something is working.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.

And to do that, I would propose a major shift in our education policy, adopting more of a "dual system" similarly employed by the Germans (with modifications).

How about a systems that allows 9th grade students to decide for themselves whether they want to take college prep courses or more "blue collar" prep courses, where they can learn and become certified in a host of technical and manufacturing areas?

Not everyone is meant to go to college.

Give those who don't an alternative.
 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Well, let's look at the kinds of policies that helped Europe rise to the top:

- Universal Health Care
- Socialist taxation/redistribution policies
- Functional Mass Transit
- Environmental Policies
- A strong public education system

Hey, all those things that we're told we can't afford/will make us poor are the things that made Europe rich!

Hmmm...

Wonder why some want us to be against those policies.
 

yllus

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It's almost as if there was a major economic crisis and North American banks were the most affected.
 

KMFJD

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.

And to do that, I would propose a major shift in our education policy, adopting more of a "dual system" similarly employed by the Germans (with modifications).

How about a systems that allows 9th grade students to decide for themselves whether they want to take college prep courses or more "blue collar" prep courses, where they can learn and become certified in a host of technical and manufacturing areas?

Not everyone is meant to go to college.

Give those who don't an alternative.

That would definitly be a step in the right direction, along with more subsidized education
 

DesiPower

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: DesiPower
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.

hey we have more important issues to deal with here like Omabacare, apologizing to the whole world for being rich, etc, etc - fuck economy man...

Oh I have another solution, Take away the files savings from the handful of ppl who still have jobs and distribute it amongst the poor, illegal immigrants and welfare parasites and we will be the #1 nation again!!! :beer:

Hey, good job on making a dumb post.

'the decline of America is in full swing'? If you are worried by the fact that regions with considerably larger populations than US, (830 million compared to 530 million) are able to amass greater wealth than us, I don't know what to tell you other than 'no duh'? The position occupied by the US since 1945 was unsustainable, everyone knew it. No country has ever stood astride the world in the manner that we did, and it's quite likely none will again. (at least in our lifetimes) The US is doing just fine.

I do find it interesting that all the evil socialist countries in Europe are overtaking the US. Maybe we should take a clue from them and socialize our health care system as they have... as obviously something is working.


The ratio of population between Europe and US, I am sure has always been similar. The problem is if we keep putting monkeys in the driver seat one after the other we will soon meet the same fate like the roman empire... Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh 120 years ago

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our agricultural base. What we need is a real agricultural policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the factory workers to produce wealth. Manufacturing economy....what a crock.

Bad comparison. Although we no longer have nearly as large a %age of our population involved in agriculture, we now produce more food than EVER. We didn't ship all of our tools and arable soil to other parts of the world and let our fields become overgrown, only to import what we needed.

If we simply produced more of our own goods and had these jobs being lost to gains in efficiency/automation, I would have no problem. That is simply not the case. You are comparing apples to cross-threaded bushings.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

So what do you propose, keeping the Republican status quo that brought the country down to begin with?

Fucking idiot.

Not at all.

Had I been in the WH on September 11, 2001, I would have simply "turned my cheek" as it were.

To think how much the terrorists have won and are continuting to win since then is mind-boggling.

Stop the wars, bring the troops home, cut each and every government program to the nub, end our deficits, pay off debts, quit paying interest on the debt, figure out a better and simpler tax system, and then reevalute where we are and what the nation can afford.

Yes, EVERYONE will have to sacrifice and endure short-term hardship for the long-term viability of this nation.

 

BigDH01

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Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Well, let's look at the kinds of policies that helped Europe rise to the top:

- Universal Health Care
- Socialist taxation/redistribution policies
- Functional Mass Transit
- Environmental Policies
- A strong public education system

Hey, all those things that we're told we can't afford/will make us poor are the things that made Europe rich!

Hmmm...

Wonder why some want us to be against those policies.

This. It doesn't make sense to complain that the US is now poorer than Europe out of one side of your mouth and then decry European-style economic policies out of the other.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: DesiPower
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.

hey we have more important issues to deal with here like Omabacare, apologizing to the whole world for being rich, etc, etc - fuck economy man...

Oh I have another solution, Take away the life's savings from the handful of ppl who still have jobs and distribute it amongst the poor, illegal immigrants and welfare parasites and we will be the #1 nation again!!! :beer:

Healthcare is part of the solution to our manufacturing problem. If we did go single-payer (which, I remind you we are not) then industrial companies would see those costs evaporate on their balance sheets as they would be paid for via individual income taxes.

Where have we been apologizing for being rich? :confused:

Oh, and nice welfare-queen-ish strawman you have there. Wealth redistribution! Entitlements! Boo! Go Laisez-Faire capitalism! (lets redistribute upwards instead! :beer:)
 

DesiPower

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Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Well, let's look at the kinds of policies that helped Europe rise to the top:

- Universal Health Care
- Socialist taxation/redistribution policies
- Functional Mass Transit
- Environmental Policies
- A strong public education system

Hey, all those things that we're told we can't afford/will make us poor are the things that made Europe rich!

Hmmm...

Wonder why some want us to be against those policies.

EU is a collection of independent nations, each one has significantly lower population than us. It makes things much easier for them to manage and control corruption. Find out the these facts there 1st
- % of illegal immigrants
- % of ppl below poverty line
- % of ppl who dont pay taxes
- corporate taxes
- % of jobs outsourced
- ratio of consumption to imports
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Well, let's look at the kinds of policies that helped Europe rise to the top:

- Universal Health Care
- Socialist taxation/redistribution policies
- Functional Mass Transit
- Environmental Policies
- A strong public education system

Hey, all those things that we're told we can't afford/will make us poor are the things that made Europe rich!

Hmmm...

Wonder why some want us to be against those policies.

Meanwhile, who came to their rescue and saved them not once but twice from their own self-destruction during the last century? And who foot the bill for their protection during the Cold War?

I suppose we might as well ditch our entire military to pay for all of the above?

I am sure many here would support that.

Also, please keep in mind that the above services aren't perfect in many European countries. I would say those things only apply to Germany, France, the BENELUX nations, and perhaps Scandinavia. Certainly a big chunk of Europe but not all of it.

 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
This is what many of us have expected to happen since deciding to do nothing to preserve our manufacturing base. What we need is a real industrial policy here in the states. You can't rely solely on the money-changers to produce wealth. Service economy....what a crock.

And to do that, I would propose a major shift in our education policy, adopting more of a "dual system" similarly employed by the Germans (with modifications).

How about a systems that allows 9th grade students to decide for themselves whether they want to take college prep courses or more "blue collar" prep courses, where they can learn and become certified in a host of technical and manufacturing areas?

Not everyone is meant to go to college.

Give those who don't an alternative.

:beer:

I wholeheartedly agree, even as an educator. Those who aren't cut out for college are now leaving our high schools with no real skills to make it in the real world. They should have the opportunity to learn a trade of some sort...
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: DesiPower
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Hey, good job on making a dumb post.

'the decline of America is in full swing'? If you are worried by the fact that regions with considerably larger populations than US, (830 million compared to 530 million) are able to amass greater wealth than us, I don't know what to tell you other than 'no duh'? The position occupied by the US since 1945 was unsustainable, everyone knew it. No country has ever stood astride the world in the manner that we did, and it's quite likely none will again. (at least in our lifetimes) The US is doing just fine.

I do find it interesting that all the evil socialist countries in Europe are overtaking the US. Maybe we should take a clue from them and socialize our health care system as they have... as obviously something is working.


The ratio of population between Europe and US, I am sure has always been similar. The problem is if we keep putting monkeys in the driver seat one after the other we will soon meet the same fate like the roman empire... Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Yes, the population has always been similar. That is why Europe was the center of greater wealth than America for the entirety of our history until the place was leveled from 1939-1945. The fact that a 50% larger population of similar demographics, education, and qualifications would return to a position of greater wealth was pretty obvious.

The leadership of the US is doing just fine, and every hegemonic power in history has likened itself (and its troubles) to Rome and its fall. There are so many causes for the fall of Rome that almost any problem a society has can be tarred with the 'fall of Rome' brush. Meh.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
So the rich don't always get richer.

Another old chestnut crushed to dust.

There's a dishonest post for you.

The fact the top 0.01% has gone from 1% of all inocme to 6%, you didn't mention.
 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: DesiPower
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So there we have it. The decline of America is in full swing. And we have the money for a new healthcare system? Now?

I say everyone concentrate on shoring up their financial position (from the feds down to you and me), cut spending, pay off debts, strengthen the USD, and THEN we might have some money left over to start talking about taking over 1/6 of the US economy.

We just can't afford this right now.

It's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Well, let's look at the kinds of policies that helped Europe rise to the top:

- Universal Health Care
- Socialist taxation/redistribution policies
- Functional Mass Transit
- Environmental Policies
- A strong public education system

Hey, all those things that we're told we can't afford/will make us poor are the things that made Europe rich!

Hmmm...

Wonder why some want us to be against those policies.

EU is a collection of independent nations, each one has significantly lower population than us. It makes things much easier fro them to manage and control corruption. Find out the these facts there 1st
- % of illegal immigrants
- % of ppl below poverty line
- % of ppl who dont pay taxes
- corporate taxes
- % of jobs outsourced
- ratio of consumption to imports

Immigration - Europe has tons of immigration from economically disadvantaged areas, whether they're legal or not I don't know

Balance of trade - European nations have addressed this by charging huge taxes on petroleum. The policies have greatly reduced consumption and provides state revenues to develop alternative energy. I think Germany gets over 30% of it's electrical generation from solar. Any idiot would have put this in place in the US 50 years ago, certainly no later than the first oil crisis. But no, we drive Hummers.