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Nortel to ship more R&D work to India

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optoman

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Nortel Beefs Up Offshore Development

Nortel Networks Corp. (NYSE/Toronto: NT - message board) has confirmed it's increasing research and development efforts outside the U.S. and Canada, and some are worried that it could cost workers in North America their jobs.
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It is bad enough when they ship the call center jobs over seas but when they are shipping the R&D jobs over there, that is really bad.

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It's a global economy!
Get used to it!
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What we need is a global minimum wage...like $0.96/hr.
 
Don't these companies realize that if they outsource they end up fvcking up the economy? We here lose jobs, don't buy their products, don't need their service.
 
Originally posted by: optoman
Nortel Beefs Up Offshore Development

Nortel Networks Corp. (NYSE/Toronto: NT - message board) has confirmed it's increasing research and development efforts outside the U.S. and Canada, and some are worried that it could cost workers in North America their jobs.
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It is bad enough when they ship the call center jobs over seas but when they are shipping the R&D jobs over there, that is really bad.

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The company is bankrupt. They should just give it up.
 
It's cheaper over there, it's the next logical step of a company in trouble.
 
There are plenty of job hunters in Canada and the US to fill the jobs they might have here, but they ship the jobs to India because of the cheap labor. When it is the call center peps then it isn't that bad. But when its a college grad with PhD or MS, how the hell are they suppose to pay back the school loans? I know a lot of people in this industry and this is the first time that they are scared about getting jobs or keeping the jobs they have.
 
Originally posted by: oniq
Don't these companies realize that if they outsource they end up fvcking up the economy? We here lose jobs, don't buy their products, don't need their service.
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Ha HA. You see, companies now don't care about the economy! They only care about their bottom line and stock price.
 
Originally posted by: optoman
There are plenty of job hunters in Canada and the US to fill the jobs they might have here, but they ship the jobs to India because of the cheap labor. When it is the call center peps then it isn't that bad. But when its a college grad with PhD or MS, how the hell are they suppose to pay back the school loans? I know a lot of people in this industry and this is the first time that they are scared about getting jobs or keeping the jobs they have.
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Oh no the poor grads can't pay their loans. We're supposed to feel worse for them losing their jobs? Do you think the call center employees that get canned don't have billls to pay, children to feed, mortgages to pay? How is it that they are less important than anyone else?
 
Originally posted by: oniq
Don't these companies realize that if they outsource they end up fvcking up the economy? We here lose jobs, don't buy their products, don't need their service.
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By pumping more income into other countries, they create new market. Previously, India and China didnt even have a cellular market, now its booming, and a huge $$ maker.
 
Originally posted by: csaddict
Originally posted by: optoman
There are plenty of job hunters in Canada and the US to fill the jobs they might have here, but they ship the jobs to India because of the cheap labor. When it is the call center peps then it isn't that bad. But when its a college grad with PhD or MS, how the hell are they suppose to pay back the school loans? I know a lot of people in this industry and this is the first time that they are scared about getting jobs or keeping the jobs they have.
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Oh no the poor grads can't pay their loans. We're supposed to feel worse for them losing their jobs? Do you think the call center employees that get canned don't have billls to pay, children to feed, mortgages to pay? How is it that they are less important than anyone else?
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That didn't come out like the way I wanted it to. The call reps are important to the economy but they are more likely to find a similar paying position in another field. When someone has a PhD in one field and all the jobs are gone, they typically can't get a job that will pay as nearly as much. They typically have a huge amount in loans. When they can't pay the loans, they file for bankruptcy. They will still have to pay the loans but any other debt is thrown out or settled for pennies on the dollar. Everyone pays for this in higher rates for credit card and such and this has a negative impact on the economy.

I fear for the medical industry to fall apart next. Doctors typically come out with about 250K in loans. Yes, they will make the money and at about age 40-45 will finally see some savings. With the cost of insurance and everything else, there is the threat they won't make a dime and have to leave the field of medicine. But this is another topic for another day.
 
Originally posted by: optoman
Originally posted by: csaddict
Originally posted by: optoman
There are plenty of job hunters in Canada and the US to fill the jobs they might have here, but they ship the jobs to India because of the cheap labor. When it is the call center peps then it isn't that bad. But when its a college grad with PhD or MS, how the hell are they suppose to pay back the school loans? I know a lot of people in this industry and this is the first time that they are scared about getting jobs or keeping the jobs they have.
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Oh no the poor grads can't pay their loans. We're supposed to feel worse for them losing their jobs? Do you think the call center employees that get canned don't have billls to pay, children to feed, mortgages to pay? How is it that they are less important than anyone else?
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That didn't come out like the way I wanted it to. The call reps are important to the economy but they are more likely to find a similar paying position in another field. When someone has a PhD in one field and all the jobs are gone, they typically can't get a job that will pay as nearly as much. They typically have a huge amount in loans. When they can't pay the loans, they file for bankruptcy. They will still have to pay the loans but any other debt is thrown out or settled for pennies on the dollar. Everyone pays for this in higher rates for credit card and such and this has a negative impact on the economy.

I fear for the medical industry to fall apart next. Doctors typically come out with about 250K in loans. Yes, they will make the money and at about age 40-45 will finally see some savings. With the cost of insurance and everything else, there is the threat they won't make a dime and have to leave the field of medicine. But this is another topic for another day.
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Thanks for clarifying your point. Although it's not as easy for call center people to get similar positions as some might think. I watched as my former employer systematicly canned about 400 people. I know a lot of them who still haven't been able to find jobs that pay nearly as much as what they were making. It's a sad state of affairs in this country.
 
Originally posted by: dexvx


By pumping more income into other countries, they create new market. Previously, India and China didnt even have a cellular market, now its booming, and a huge $$ maker.
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Sending all of our low and mid-range jobs to other countries isn't good no matter how much new markets open up. What good does a company that moved to Bermuda that has a factory in Mexico that makes phones supported by Indians that get sold in China do for America? None.

We need industrial jobs in America. We need tech-support jobs in America. We need R&D jobs in America. We Americans need to worry about America first and stop messing with other countries for a change.
 
Don't these companies realize that if they outsource they end up fvcking up the economy? We here lose jobs, don't buy their products, don't need their service.
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There is more to the world than America.

Sending all of our low and mid-range jobs to other countries isn't good no matter how much new markets open up. What good does a company that moved to Bermuda that has a factory in Mexico that makes phones supported by Indians that get sold in China do for America? None.

We need industrial jobs in America. We need tech-support jobs in America. We need R&D jobs in America. We Americans need to worry about America first and stop messing with other countries for a change.
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We sure do need them. But you have to consider that the wages American workers demand are far beyond what the companies can afford to spend.
So you're asking the companies to stay here, pay very high wages AND keep prices low?
Gee, living a pipe dream I see.


 
Originally posted by: SammySon

We sure do need them. But you have to consider that the wages American workers demand are far beyond what the companies can afford to spend.
So you're asking the companies to stay here, pay very high wages AND keep prices low?
Gee, living a pipe dream I see.
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No, one of those has to give. You can't do all of them. I want them to stay here and lower wages. Pay what you need to. My non-professional opinion is that the market will even itself out. The absolute last thing American companies should do is move jobs overseas.
 
No, one of those has to give. You can't do all of them. I want them to stay here and lower wages. Pay what you need to. My non-professional opinion is that the market will even itself out. The absolute last thing American companies should do is move jobs overseas.
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In a neoclassical economy you cannot lower wages in an inflating market and expect people to buy your products and services at the same level they were.
 
Originally posted by: Muzzan
Originally posted by: csaddict
But if the people have no income how are they going to buy your products?
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There will be Indians with disposable incomes to buy the products 🙂
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Since they pay them a lot lower then a average american worker, the company need to sell the product at a lower price, which doesnt give any return in the first place.

I think Nortel mostly deal with bigger companies then individual customers so this wouldn't affect them too much (like the deal they got in China)
 
Its very funny. The commercial imperialism and globalization that has allowed America and its big business to make SO much money, and the consequent gluttonous lifestyle of the average American - 2 SUVs, all the food you can eat, luxury products like ipods, etc. - is now coming to bite us back in the a$$. Listen, folks - its you who demands these gas-guzzlers and the like, even during a downed economy, and its YOU whose shoving jobs overseas. The companies who are doing so, are simply following the same modus operandi as the always have: increase profits. And now, for the FIRST time, its hurting YOU!

Suck it up, losers. How many countries have watched their best and brightest flock to america for a better life - to that you say, so what, America is the best. And indeed it is - but that "best" has been a product of innovation, an innovation that is now leading it to set up shop elsewhere. Despite what it ma look like to you, this is truly an equilibirum being established now that the globalization is fast approaching a reality. No more hoarding of resources anymore. India and China are glad and willing to lease their most precious resources, legions of incredibly well-trained, hardworking and intelligent men and women, eager to work for a salary more modest than the average, fat Joe America. Kinda like Union-busting on a grand scale, no? 🙂

 
Originally posted by: BlipBlop
Its very funny. The commercial imperialism and globalization that has allowed America and its big business to make SO much money, and the consequent gluttonous lifestyle of the average American - 2 SUVs, all the food you can eat, luxury products like ipods, etc. - is now coming to bite us back in the a$$. Listen, folks - its you who demands these gas-guzzlers and the like, even during a downed economy, and its YOU whose shoving jobs overseas. The companies who are doing so, are simply following the same modus operandi as the always have: increase profits. And now, for the FIRST time, its hurting YOU!

Suck it up, losers. How many countries have watched their best and brightest flock to america for a better life - to that you say, so what, America is the best. And indeed it is - but that "best" has been a product of innovation, an innovation that is now leading it to set up shop elsewhere. Despite what it ma look like to you, this is truly an equilibirum being established now that the globalization is fast approaching a reality. No more hoarding of resources anymore. India and China are glad and willing to lease their most precious resources, legions of incredibly well-trained, hardworking and intelligent men and women, eager to work for a salary more modest than the average, fat Joe America. Kinda like Union-busting on a grand scale, no? 🙂
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Forget the "fat Joes" who have been living it up; what am I supposed to do. I'm a college student powered by mostly loans and scholarships, so I'm going to leave with debt, and what for? A useless piece of paper? What is this "loser" supposed to do, without a job, watching the boomers retire and suck up all the money(401K, pension, SS) with them?
 
Call Centers in India? What about the Language Barrier?

Customer " I have a problem with the LCD on my Laptop"

Tech "Birdie Num Num" 😕
 
there was a really interesting show last nite on PBS about how many US companies are outsourcing work to foriegn countries. i think the show was called "NOW"... very interesting indeed.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Call Centers in India? What about the Language Barrier?

Customer " I have a problem with the LCD on my Laptop"

Tech "Birdie Num Num" 😕
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... ok, that's a stupid statement.

most people in india learn english in schools these days. accent aside, everytime you think you're coming across an indian who is ignoring your problem and asking you dumb questions you think are not related to the problem, please realize that it is not their fault, but the company's fault. He might be able to tell you exactly what the problem is but is forbidden by the hiring company to do so. they have a computer program with yes/no questions that they are REQUIRED to go through and will get fired if they don't go through it. they have a little leeway to deviate from what's on screen, but not that much.
 
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