NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[TheVrolok]

There is a pretty strong association between vitamin D and the severity of sleep apnea. It doesn't mean there's a causal relationship, but it's worth trying to address it for the direct and indirect benefits of being vitamin D sufficent while the slow research process plods along depending on funding.

So start popping the D pills or eating the wild salmon, UV treated mushrooms, etc.

There is absolute mountains of literature on vit D deficiency being concurrent with many different chronic diseases, but very limited data that replacing it actually improves outcomes outside of very few specific circumstances.

Vit D deficiency is probably a sign of being "sick" rather than causing sickness.

 

[Zorba]

Do they know for sure that omicron immunity works against delta? It doesn't seem to work that well the other way round, so would it work this way round? Or does it not have to be 100% to suppress the spread of delta?
I would have assumed both could spread simultaneously, unless one produced an immune response that was overwhelmingly effective against the other.

I think it's like Flu A. It's very rare for someone to get multiple Flu A strains in the same year. But you can get A and B.

 

[Zorba]

There is absolute mountains of literature on vit D deficiency being concurrent with many different chronic diseases, but very limited data that replacing it actually improves outcomes outside of very few specific circumstances.

Vit D deficiency is probably a sign of being "sick" rather than causing sickness.

But white people took over Northern Europe because they could produce more vitamin D than darker people, so there must be some benefit.

 

[TheVrolok]

But white people took over Northern Europe because they could produce more vitamin D than darker people, so there must be some benefit.

Hard to argue there.

 

[ponyo]

Sister called and said her son tested positive for covid. My nephew is 16 yrs old and double vaxxed so I'm not terribly worried about him. I'm more concerned about my sister who elected not to get the booster shot. So far he's the only one who tested positive but it's probably only matter of time before they're all infected.

We were going to get together for Christmas. So canceled that. Now I have extra 10 lbs of ribeye steaks I have to figure out what to do with. I'll probably still cook and deliver it.

 

[ponyo]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/omi...sten-the-covid-pandemics-end-says-expert.html

I pretty much agree with this and believe omicron might be the best thing that happened since covid started. Omicron kills other covid variants and itself by spreading so fast and thus ending this miserable covid pandemic. That's assuming the cases are weaker and milder than Delta.

 

[Zorba]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/omi...sten-the-covid-pandemics-end-says-expert.html

I pretty much agree with this and believe omicron might be the best thing that happened since covid started. Omicron kills other covid variants and itself by spreading so fast and thus ending this miserable covid pandemic. That's assuming the cases are weaker and milder than Delta.

This is my hope as well. One final wave, hopefully.

 

[Spacehead]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/omi...sten-the-covid-pandemics-end-says-expert.html

I pretty much agree with this and believe omicron might be the best thing that happened since covid started. Omicron kills other covid variants and itself by spreading so fast and thus ending this miserable covid pandemic. That's assuming the cases are weaker and milder than Delta.

Until the next variant comes along. I don't like to be negative so i'll say i'm 'cautiously optimistic'.

 

[pmv]

Until the next variant comes along. I don't like to be negative so i'll say i'm 'cautiously optimistic'.

Wish it would evolve to be beneficial. Surely a virus that evolves to help its hosts live longer and interact more with others would spread more effectively, thus making it a good evolutioinary strategy?

 

[Roger Wilco]

Omicron escapes the majority of existing SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies - Nature

A high-throughput yeast display platform is used to analyse the profiles of mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD) that enable escape from antibodies, and suggests that most anti-RBD antibodies can be escaped by the Omicron variant.

www.nature.com

 

[TheVrolok]

Omicron escapes the majority of existing SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies - Nature

A high-throughput yeast display platform is used to analyse the profiles of mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD) that enable escape from antibodies, and suggests that most anti-RBD antibodies can be escaped by the Omicron variant.

www.nature.com

Nothing really new here from other recently published data. Old MABs not really helpful, newer stuff probably helpful, Omicron seems to cause less severe disease, get mRNA vaccines and get boosted. mRNA boosters seem to still do a pretty good job protecting against Omicron.

Time will tell.

 

[Zorba]

Wish it would evolve to be beneficial. Surely a virus that evolves to help its hosts live longer and interact more with others would spread more effectively, thus making it a good evolutioinary strategy?

There are viruses that embed themselves in the host's DNA and live forever within that lineage.

 

[Spacehead]

Omicron escapes the majority of existing SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies - Nature

A high-throughput yeast display platform is used to analyse the profiles of mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain (RBD) that enable escape from antibodies, and suggests that most anti-RBD antibodies can be escaped by the Omicron variant.

www.nature.com

Linked from Ponyo's posted article
Antibodies aren't everything — Covid vaccines have another secret weapon to fight omicron
Subtitled - "How vaccine-induced T cells add a layer of Covid defense"
So maybe there is some hope.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/omi...sten-the-covid-pandemics-end-says-expert.html

 

[Red Squirrel]

Yellow sticker, train... I feel I've seen this before.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1474500479027716099

 

[Zorba]

Yellow sticker, train... I feel I've seen this before.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1474500479027716099

I really hope that is fake.

But at least this people, willing, paid for the experience.

 

[MrSquished]

I really hope that is fake.

But at least this people, willing, paid for the experience.

It doesn't matter. To compare this to Holocaust events is bonkers. It's insulting to basic intelligence and decency.

 

[sdifox]

I really hope that is fake.

But at least this people, willing, paid for the experience.

That does look like a bona fide Via Rail sticker, it's that particular yellow.

 

[Zorba]

It doesn't matter. To compare this to Holocaust events is bonkers. It's insulting to basic intelligence and decency.

I completely agree, but seems like a dumb error when you know crazies are going to go straight to that comparison.

 

[Roger Wilco]

“In addition, the report highlighted 290 cases where people caught Omicron just 60 to 89 days after previously being infected with COVID a first time.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states that cases of reinfection with COVID remain rare, but a recent report from Imperial College London (ICL) noted that the Omicron variant was associated with a more than 5-fold higher risk of reinfection compared to the Delta variant.”

Some Omicron Patients Have Caught COVID Three Times, Data Shows

Cases of the fast-spreading Omicron variant are occurring in people who have already had COVID before.

www.google.com

 

[Ajay]

“In addition, the report highlighted 290 cases where people caught Omicron just 60 to 89 days after previously being infected with COVID a first time.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) states that cases of reinfection with COVID remain rare, but a recent report from Imperial College London (ICL) noted that the Omicron variant was associated with a more than 5-fold higher risk of reinfection compared to the Delta variant.”

Some Omicron Patients Have Caught COVID Three Times, Data Shows

Cases of the fast-spreading Omicron variant are occurring in people who have already had COVID before.

www.google.com

"69 identified cases with Omicron as a third episode of infection" out of over 116,000 individuals

So, not something to really be concerned with.

 

[Roger Wilco]

So, not something to really be concerned with.

Considering much of the world is unvaccinated, I’m personally concerned about a 5x increase in reinfection over delta.

 

[Ajay]

Considering much of the world is unvaccinated, I’m personally concerned about a 5x increase in reinfection over delta.

That's 0.06% reinfection rate from the above article. So, even if it is 5x that of delta, it's almost vanishingly small compared to the other problems we have with Covid.

 

[ponyo]

I spoke with my sister today and she said my nephew is well on his way to full recovery. She said it's basically like he got the cold and they're not worried. I expect all of them to get covid since they're not wearing mask around him.

 

[Roger Wilco]

That's 0.06% reinfection rate from the above article. So, even if it is 5x that of delta, it's almost vanishingly small compared to the other problems we have with Covid.

At the moment, yes, I agree. But if successive variants continue to exponentially increase reinfection rates…

 

[Muse]

I'm wondering. Omicron appears at this point to be likely the most transmissible strain of covid-19 to emerge. It also appears to be significantly less likely to have severe consequences for persons infected (not considering the fact that they are more apt to transmit it to others). Is it at least theoretically possible to engineer a strain of covid-19 (or other pathogens) that have this combination, i.e. will dominate a pandemic and lessen the pathogen's consequences, perhaps resolving the problem for the most part?