NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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Svnla

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They do have panic buying oversea too...just not toilet paper and paper towels. Frozen foods and essentials are out of stock for now because the government is about to shut down a few areas in the country. Oh, and no fighting.

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Muse

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No vaccine for me and living life as normal, went to packed movie theatre yesterday with the wife and took the kid to the movies a week ago. Shopping, seeing friends and family, working. Live your life and don't be scared guys.
Not like you, dummy. If you get unlucky, you will be gasping for air and wishing you hadn't been such a foolish guy.

If everyone was like you we'd be in just as bad shape as we were on New Year's Day, digging graves and blowing ashes out of crematorium stacks like gangbusters. :rolleyes:
 
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Annisman*

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Not like you, dummy. If you get unlucky, you will be gasping for air and wishing you hadn't been such a foolish guy.

If everyone was like you we'd be in just as bad shape as we were on New Year's Day, digging graves and blowing ashes out of crematorium stacks like gangbusters. :rolleyes:

I could get unlucky driving to the movie theater and get in a car accident, the odds of CoViD killing me are so miniscule, who are you to tell me what risk is acceptable or not ? Those of you who are scared to death should get the vaccine.
 

Red Squirrel

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My nephew seems to be doing fine, but my sister still sick. It's on and off for her, like one minute she's not doing that bad then next it's worse. Lot of coughing and feeling very tired. My nephew did not get his results yet but we all figure he has it since that's probably how my sister got it. He works a public facing job and there was a case there. They voluntarily shut down for now so they can sanitize everything.

Just dropped off some groceries for her. Her whole house is basically quarantining in their own parts of the house. Luckily they have like 4 bathrooms.
 
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Red Squirrel

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I originally was wary of the vaccine just because it was kind of rushed (for good reason), but during the period that it was slowly becoming available but still not available for me, I gave it lot of thought, basically weighing the long term risks of the vaccine and the long term risks of covid. Long story short the long term risks of covid are becoming more and more established and are there. The long term risks of the vaccine are not yet known (if there are even any and that's a big if) but based on history of vaccines in general I feel the risks are very low. A lot of people seem to get reactions but they are short and I don't even worry about anything short term. There are very rare cases of serious long term effects or even death such as the AZ blood clots but those are still fairly low odds compared to the chances of complications from covid. Also it's not just unhealthy people who are getting complications, there has been cases of young healthy people such as former Olympic athletes actually ending up in hospital. I suppose a case like that is fairly rare, but it can happen.

So weighing both sides, I chose to get the vaccine myself. Now that we have covid in the family it hit close to home and now I can't wait to be able to get my 2nd shot. My sister actually did have the vaccine for 2-3 weeks and is still sick so the 1st shot is probably not the end all be all, but I imagine it helps.

I really hope they can look at giving out 2nd shots sooner here given the situation as it would be nice to get it within the month instead of having to wait several months for the scheduled date.
 
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ponyo

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You are 100% incorrect on this point.

What it is, is a risk you and many others are free to take just as MANY others are free to avoid it and will continue to do so.

Time will tell who is right (I'm pulling for you!) ... but given the number of science-denying TOTAL and COMPLETE morons out walking around I suspect we're in for a bad time.
You're right. People should only take risks they're comfortable with. If they're vaccinated and still want to mask up while indoors, that's their choice. I won't but if someone near me is constantly coughing and looking sick, I will mask up. And I have no problem masking up when I'm required such as on planes, trains, and in medical settings.

My sister has said she won't vaccinate her boys because she's scared there could be some unknown longterm risk with the vaccine we don't currently know yet. She's taking calculated risk she's comfortable with. I don't necessary agree with her but it's her kids and she's free to do what she thinks is best for them as a parent. My wife and I chose to vaccinate our daughter for our piece of mind. But we did it knowing there could be some long term negative side effect from the vaccine we don't currently know. Is that unknown future side effect risk greater than the young person catching covid and dying? It's hard to say at this point. Chance of healthy young person dying from covid is really tiny. This we know. But we don't currently know the future long term side effect with the covid vaccine.
 
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manly

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I have seen no sources reputable (or otherwise) asserting that the mRNA vaccines prevent you from getting covid-19. They say that data confirms that you're virtually assured of not needing hospitalization if you do get a "case" of it, much less die clearly from that case. That's certainly not the same thing. And, as the quotation from that female Texas doctor says, there's no evidence at all (and I have seen no assertions) that you can't suffer a case after full vaccination that leads to long-covid complications.

Dr Kathleen Weber
Houston TX
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"The vaccines were tested to prove that they protected against serious illness and death, but it has not yet been demonstrated that they prevent long-term Covid (chronic fatigue and brain fog) which have resulted from even mild Covid cases. Until it is clear how well vaccination protects against long-term Covid illness I will wear my mask indoors while sharing air with strangers."
In other words, you don't believe Israeli data and the CDC. :rolleyes: The CDC only lifted the mask guidance a couple weeks ago because it concurred that the real-world data shows the vaccines are effective at preventing transmission. Sorry to be a pedant, but the approved vaccines definitely prevent cases of Covid-19, which is generally the term for symptomatic cases. That's precisely what the trials proved, along with virtually preventing the most severe cases that could lead to death.

Since then, the real-world vaccination data also proves they prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus). It's not perfect but the efficacy at preventing transmission is somewhere in the 80% range. This isn't obscure news, it's been out for a while. I'll dig up sources if you insist, but by now this is generally accepted knowledge.

I didn't say the vaccines are perfect, as I specifically said breakthrough cases do occur and statistically are rare. My point was that although long-term Covid-19 effects are obviously a real concern, they're a concern only for those who get Covid-19. What Dr. Weber is saying isn't strictly wrong (mild Covid-19 can have long-term effects), but generally speaking the risk of transmission is drastically reduced for vaccinated people.

For the record, I'm not suggesting to throw away all your masks. I still have a stockpile and as others have mentioned, it would be awesome if society would choose to mask up during flu season.
 

uclaLabrat

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Roll down your sleeve if you are afraid.
I'm not scared for me, I'm scared for my family. My daughter is one year off treatment for leukemia and no one really knows what her risk profile is. We THINK her immune system is back to normal but we sure as fuck can't be certain and aren't willing to risk it.

And being 7, she's not eligible for the vaccine yet.

So here we are, living more conservative than a lot of people because we have to, while chuds like you shitpost about living free and not being scared.

You're a bigger cancer than her leukemia ever was.
 

Captante

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Those of you who are scared to death should get the vaccine

Wow ... more folks thinking like you and we could still need to worry about diseases that were virtually eliminated by vaccines MANY years ago like the measels ...

Oh wait..... :rolleyes:



No one gives a shit about you

You're a bigger cancer than her leukemia ever was

100% agreed .... what a selfish a$$. :mad:

Typical for America these days too ... thoughtless stupidity = the rule not the exception.

So happy I don't live in a GOP-dominated political sewer.
 
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uclaLabrat

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Wow ... more folks thinking like you and we could still need to worry about diseases that were virtually eliminated by vaccines MANY years ago like the measels ...

Oh wait..... :rolleyes:







100% agreed .... what a selfish a$$. :mad:

Typical for America these days too ... thoughtless stupidity = the rule not the exception.

So happy I don't live in a GOP-dominated political sewer.
Honestly I'm 95% convinced he's a Russian troll farmer. Stupidity this pervasive has to be intentional. He doesn't sound batshit, he's just a troll.
 
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Captante

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Honestly I'm 95% convinced he's a Russian troll farmer. Stupidity this pervasive has to be intentional. He doesn't sound batshit, he's just a troll.


Very little surprises me anymore.... I like to think the atot crowd is among the more enlightened among us so I actually am hoping you're correct here.

We are by no means immune to propaganda-posts unfortunately. :confused_old:
 
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Red Squirrel

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So my youngest nephew starting to feel sick now too. Only my brother in law and oldest nephew left now who are not feeling sick in the household. They are doing their best to isolate but kinda hard inside the house and still breathing the same air. These variants spread super easily. I just dropped off some meds for them.
 

Captante

Lifer
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So my youngest nephew starting to feel sick now too. Only my brother in law and oldest nephew left now who are not feeling sick in the household. They are doing their best to isolate but kinda hard inside the house and still breathing the same air. These variants spread super easily. I just dropped off some meds for them.


Wow that really sucks ... hope they're okay! :confused_old:
 

Muse

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I could get unlucky driving to the movie theater and get in a car accident, the odds of CoViD killing me are so miniscule, who are you to tell me what risk is acceptable or not ? Those of you who are scared to death should get the vaccine.
You are a fool to project your imaginings of me or anyone else's emotions concerning this. You are one cocky SOB.

Your risk from covid is not just your dying from it. You risk suffering long term effects that could make the rest of your life a disaster:


You are not just risking your own health. Were it just that, sure, do as you please. If you get in that car accident, you are endangering yourself, your passengers and any other people involved. But that's as far as the damage goes. You obviously have no sense of epidemiology. You, as an unvaccinated person are a monkey wrench in the machinery of the global effort to stanch this worst pandemic in 100 years. Odds are you will, if you contract the virus, pass it on to 2-3 other people and each of those to 2-3 other people, etc.:
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Although dynamic, the basic reproduction number (R0 /R naught) is an epidemiologic entity that helps predict the expected number of cases from exposure to a single case, assuming all the individuals in the given population are susceptible. The R0 of measles is 12-18, by far the highest known to humankind. The R0 of seasonal influenza is around 0.9-2.1. Based on the data available so far, the R0 of COVID-19 is 1.4-3.9.
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Thus you are part of the problem, not the solution.
 
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Svnla

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Here is in the US, we have to bribe our people to get vaccinate while others around the world are dying to get some.

The minister said that the new variant was particularly contagious via air and that viral cultures have revealed that it replicates extremely quickly, the newspaper reported.

"The new variant is very dangerous," Long said in a statement.

Vietnam detects highly contagious new coronavirus variant as infections surge (yahoo.com)

One of business associates sent me this video. Not in English, just watch and see how empty the bustling city of over 10 million people becomes because the government is ordering everyone to stay home unless it is essential such as grocery shopping and medical service. The city is still open for now but a whole district is shutting down for 2 weeks (subject to change to include more districts).


I do recognize the old lady on the right at 5:20 nears the bike, she sold drinks to me when I was there a couple years ago. The well know shopping centers/markets such as Saigon Center and Ben Thanh are shutting down.

All shopping centers, malls, coffee shops, bars, hotels, and any non essential businesses are closed until further notice. Restaurants are for pick up orders only. A lot of businesses have "for rent" or " for sale" signs, especially ones that cater to tourist and entertainment.


@BoomerD were you there in the 60's? Can you recognize any of those streets?
 
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H T C

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I originally was wary of the vaccine just because it was kind of rushed (for good reason), but during the period that it was slowly becoming available but still not available for me, I gave it lot of thought, basically weighing the long term risks of the vaccine and the long term risks of covid. Long story short the long term risks of covid are becoming more and more established and are there. The long term risks of the vaccine are not yet known (if there are even any and that's a big if) but based on history of vaccines in general I feel the risks are very low. A lot of people seem to get reactions but they are short and I don't even worry about anything short term. There are very rare cases of serious long term effects or even death such as the AZ blood clots but those are still fairly low odds compared to the chances of complications from covid. Also it's not just unhealthy people who are getting complications, there has been cases of young healthy people such as former Olympic athletes actually ending up in hospital. I suppose a case like that is fairly rare, but it can happen.

So weighing both sides, I chose to get the vaccine myself. Now that we have covid in the family it hit close to home and now I can't wait to be able to get my 2nd shot. My sister actually did have the vaccine for 2-3 weeks and is still sick so the 1st shot is probably not the end all be all, but I imagine it helps.

I really hope they can look at giving out 2nd shots sooner here given the situation as it would be nice to get it within the month instead of having to wait several months for the scheduled date.

I can't speak about the long term effects of these vaccines because, @ this point, not enough time has elapsed, but I CAN talk about the effects vaccines are having right now in Portugal.

Since Portugal began having deaths from this virus on March 2020, we only had ONE DAY with zero deaths in 2020 and it was on August 3rd 2020. People starting to get vaccinated just before the year's end, and with just roughly 23% of our population with the 1st dose and roughly 8.4% with the 2nd dose, we had our 2nd day with zero fatalities from COVID and, since then, we had SIX more days with zero fatalities, THREE of which this past week, though we are experiencing an uptick in new cases which MAY aggravate things.

Herd immunity is thought to be around 70% to 80% but, as can be seen here in Portugal, even with 36.5% of our citizens with the 1st dose alone, the fatalities dropped severely.

Compare this latest week with our worst week, back in January 31st. Portugal has roughly 1 / 32 of USA's population so multiply our numbers by 32 and compare those to USA's worst days: you'll find we had WORSE worst days than USA ever did.

Good luck to your family members: may they return to good health shortly.
 

destrekor

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There's a lot of posts in this thread, so I figure I should just ask this way:
@CZroe, @Ichinisan, didn't one or both of you some long time back, describe a scenario where a few Wuhan lab/field researchers were obtaining field samples from bat caves (in the one non-Wuhan region sometimes cited as the genetic origin, right?), and they were described as free-clothed, and this all occurred in autumn 2019?

If I'm remembering that correctly, now I have to say I feel like a good working theory is that it ends up not even being a "lab leak" and rather ends up being careless researchers spreading it near their workplace when they were still asymptomatic and in street clothes before donning any protective gear inside the lab itself. Could even be they spread it via something like a handshake before they even first got to the facility with the specimens so that there were more than just the researchers in the first exposure event.
 
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Red Squirrel

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My theory has always been that it was carelessness. There's some theories/conspiracies that it was on purpose, and while it would not necessarily surprise me, I really think it was just a careless accident. Either lab leak, or food processing in the wet markets. Or maybe a bit of both, lab leak in the wet markets and it just spread from there.

China has always been very careless about stuff like this and they do not care to change. Heck, just look at that rocket that fell uncontrolled. They could not care less where it lands, there was no effort to make it reenter properly. Something probably failed but they won't admit to that, so they just say it's normal and tell people to stop worrying.

Basically they have too much pride to admit mistakes so they'll try to hide it instead. Though I'm sure whoever is responsible is no longer of this world and their body is spread in multiple locations after being shot with an anti aircraft gun.
 
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