NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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BarkingGhostar

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Today I ventured out to a retail business and actually got out of my vehicle and went inside of my nearest Costco. Mask on, feeling decent, gas pumps busy but the warehouse not at all and then I notice this old couple not wearing masks. I frown and then there is a guy without a mask. More people without a mask. Its been a month since I've actually been inside the Costco warehouse (I do visit the pumps much more often) and now I am seeing actual employees without them. I walk up to one employee and ask and he said Costco just got around to acknowledging Georgia's face mask lift that hit at the beginning of the month. Surprise! Now I felt like the outcast by WEARING ONE.

I then went to the newest Publix near me. Much more MILFY action at that location and whenever the wife wants to do grocery shopping I tag along and sit in the car/truck and watch all the MILFs and Cougars coming and going. Anyway, after Costco's visit this morning I went to this Publix and sure enough people, including employees, without masks. I feel like I turned eighteen and can drive legally without supervision, or twenty-one and can now drink whenever. How can I appreciate all this new found freedome when I can't buy a video card to maintain my containment, or buy a new/used car because of lack of inventories.
 

Muse

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How do you think it would go if the Government put SF under quarantine because there was a flu outbreak?

I would predict massive riots and a death toll that would put any disease in modern history in the shade.
You very much underestimated the severity of this disease. I quote from page 6 of this topic.

 

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Here's a post in this thread from Jan. 23, 2020 that spells out alarm over Wuhan lab studying exceedingly dangerous pathogens:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ronavirus-thread.2575795/page-6#post-40048492

A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.

Scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats
 

Muse

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Prescient remark here in early Feb. 2020:


On Feb. 10, 2020, @Mai72 said:

I think there are many sick in USA. Maybe in the tens of thousands. Look at it this way. Trump is doing very well on the economic front. If this virus were to take off in America it could have a HUGE impact on the upcoming election. I don't trust the government. I think they'd lie to us so they could save their hides. This virus is much much bigger and deadlier and they aren't telling us the truth!
 
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ponyo

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I just returned from my daughter's high school graduation ceremony. There were couple thousand people gathered at the event. I would say about 80-90% of the people did not wear a mask. We did.not wear our masks. It felt right. As far as I'm concerned, this pandemic is over. Today was a good day!
 

BarkingGhostar

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Seems early to let your guard down. This is what I think happened with my city. Now we're a hot spot.
Are you suggesting there is a rampant condition of fully vaccinated people getting COVID-19? Not talking anecdotal evidence, but serious mass evidence? Then I do not see myself de-masking while fully vaccinated and never haven been infected as being an issue. But maybe you know something more than the CDC and WHO.
 

ponyo

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Seems early to let your guard down. This is what I think happened with my city. Now we're a hot spot.
I'm comfortable with our actions. We're vaccinated, and we're comfortable with odds nothing serious will happen even if we catch the virus. We don't live in fear of cold or flu and that's how I view this virus now that we're vaccinated. We will get annual covid shots and boosters as needed and continue to live our lives as normal as possible. We're not afraid. It's time we move on.
 

Zorba

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Are you suggesting there is a rampant condition of fully vaccinated people getting COVID-19? Not talking anecdotal evidence, but serious mass evidence? Then I do not see myself de-masking while fully vaccinated and never haven been infected as being an issue. But maybe you know something more than the CDC and WHO.
I think pretty much everyone's issue is with the honor system and basically all antivaxers not wearing masks, even though they are still a risk to everyone around them.
 

Muse

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That article isn't more than "people are saying".
I tried to find the post yesterday that I think is in this thread (there may be two) that links to a URL where a guy who was in China in early 2020 (not Chinese AFAIK) laid out the case in considerable detail. What stuck in my mind more than anything was the infection of several lab workers with covid-like disease, but more than that it was their DISAPPEARANCE, in particular that of the female head of the research team doctor. I think and would hope that the now proposed new investigation by the WHO is going to focus on revealing this and related info.

In my search of this thread yesterday I only got to around page 32. It's likely (if here) way further in. I got the link from another forum member, probably in this thread, maybe not.

Here's that video I watched over a year ago that had me thinking that SARS-CoV-2 likely leaked out of that Wuhan lab. This guy makes quite a case. It's about 10 minutes:

 
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purbeast0

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Today at my gym I noticed a new sign on the wall that wasn't there yesterday.

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I saw probably 10 or so people without masks working out. The rest still had masks.

If I didn't have a 6 year old and a 9 month old at home I wouldn't be wearing one either since I'm fully vaccinated since March.

My county of like 1.3 million people is averaging like 30 new cases a day too so numbers are super low.
 
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manly

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Are you suggesting there is a rampant condition of fully vaccinated people getting COVID-19? Not talking anecdotal evidence, but serious mass evidence? Then I do not see myself de-masking while fully vaccinated and never haven been infected as being an issue. But maybe you know something more than the CDC and WHO.
He's in Canada where very few people have gotten vaccinated until recently.

I think pretty much everyone's issue is with the honor system and basically all antivaxers not wearing masks, even though they are still a risk to everyone around them.
I'm assuming it was an outdoor graduation based on the head count, so transmission risk is pretty low (also assuming people aren't packed together like sardines). As purbeast0 suggests, community risk level is also a factor. If it was Michigan back in March (even with current vax levels), you should remain prudent. And obviously the "honor system" isn't quite working right if 80%+ of a population are maskless at a large event. It's possible some localities have that high of a vaccination rate, but most states are nowhere close (esp. in the South). Like you said, the problem isn't with fully vaccinated people taking off their masks; it's with the refuseniks who've been resisting public health directives for a year, and now have carte blanche to claim the "pandemic is over."
 
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That article isn't more than "people are saying".
I've paid a lot of attention to what the pros are saying about the virus from day one. IMO, former FDA commissioner (2017-Apr. 2019) Dr. Scott Gottlieb is about as trustworthy as any of them, comes across as completely level headed.

Here's the ~10 minute video I watched over a year ago that had me thinking that SARS-CoV-2 likely leaked from the Wuhan lab that's close to that wet market. The guy lived in China for 10 years, is fluent in the language, doesn't have a high opinion of the CCP.


This guy thinks that the source was bats and that the lab was researching bat coronaviruses and that the staff were infected in handling the samples. Dr. Gottlieb has a different take, suggesting that by this time if there were a zoonotic source it should have been found, suggesting that the virus did come from the lab. He didn't say it was designed or formulated or whatever in the lab, but suggesting that a zoonotic source should have been found by now hints at that. He does say it seems unlikely we will ever have evidence one way or another. I suppose a zoonotic source could still be found. He said any viral samples from the sick lab technicians from Oct.-Nov. 2019 are likely non-existent at this point.
 
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Muse

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Today at my gym I noticed a new sign on the wall that wasn't there yesterday.

FbK01aO.jpg


I saw probably 10 or so people without masks working out. The rest still had masks.

If I didn't have a 6 year old and a 9 month old at home I wouldn't be wearing one either since I'm fully vaccinated since March.

My county of like 1.3 million people is averaging like 30 new cases a day too so numbers are super low.
I haven't stepped into a gym since Mar. 2020. My gym (24hourfitness) went Chapter 11. I got a mailer saying they were opening in March and that they would start charging me my monthly fee unless I opt to put it on hold. I think they are still at 25% capacity. I'm not worried because I'm fully vaccinated. Maybe I should just go, but I figure I would have to call them and maybe reserve a spot. I suppose they will be fully open June 15 what with the reopening of CA slated for then. Meantime I'm skating like a madman so I'm not too concerned. I should be doing other stuff, though.
 

Red Squirrel

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Are you suggesting there is a rampant condition of fully vaccinated people getting COVID-19? Not talking anecdotal evidence, but serious mass evidence? Then I do not see myself de-masking while fully vaccinated and never haven been infected as being an issue. But maybe you know something more than the CDC and WHO.

Too early to tell, but it seems really odd that since the vaccinations ramped up the cases have been going up exponentially. I think because people know the vaccine is out and being given, people are letting their guard down whether or not they themselves are vaccinated. It's also possible to still get it while vaccinated and spread it I think. Though I do agree at some point we just need to start going back to normal. If most people are vaccinated even if there are still cases they will hopefully be mild cases and it won't be a big deal anymore.
 

Zorba

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I've paid a lot of attention to what the pros are saying about the virus from day one. IMO, former FDA commissioner (2017-Apr. 2019) Dr. Scott Gottlieb is about as trustworthy as any of them, comes across as completely level headed.

Here's the ~10 minute video I watched over a year ago that had me thinking that SARS-CoV-2 likely leaked from the Wuhan lab that's close to that wet market. The guy lived in China for 10 years, is fluent in the language, doesn't have a high opinion of the CCP.


This guy thinks that the source was bats and that the lab was researching bat coronaviruses and that the staff were infected in handling the samples. Dr. Gottlieb has a different take, suggesting that by this time if there were a zoonotic source it should have been found, suggesting that the virus did come from the lab. He didn't say it was designed or formulated or whatever in the lab, but suggesting that a zoonotic source should have been found by now hints at that. He does say it seems unlikely we will ever have evidence one way or another. I suppose a zoonotic source could still be found. He said any viral samples from the sick lab technicians from Oct.-Nov. 2019 are likely non-existent at this point.
IIRC they never found the zoonotic source for SARS (OG) either. But they have found very similar SARS2 viruses in the wild. They've also never found the source for Ebola, or Zika, IIRC.
 

Captante

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I just returned from my daughter's high school graduation ceremony. There were couple thousand people gathered at the event. I would say about 80-90% of the people did not wear a mask. We did.not wear our masks. It felt right. As far as I'm concerned, this pandemic is over. Today was a good day!


I sincerely hope you are correct.
 

Muse

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IIRC they never found the zoonotic source for SARS (OG) either. But they have found very similar SARS2 viruses in the wild. They've also never found the source for Ebola, or Zika, IIRC.
I'm pretty sure I heard that Ebola is zoonotic in bats and that people can and do get it by eating "windfalls" that are actually due to a bat partially eating fruit. IIRC, Zika is well know to be carried by mosquitos and their bites transfer it.