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Lifer
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I'd be happy to use centigrade if everyone else would. But right now, I'm not comfortable with it simply because where I live, everybody talks F. I don't know why it makes much difference. Metric in general would make sense, I suppose, but when in Rome you do as the Romans do. It's 63F in my back yard right now, I have a good feeling for what that would feel like if I go out there. If you tell me it's 20C, I don't know.

I feel _exactly_ the opposite. Fahrenheit means nothing to me. I can't even spell it!

It's the one measurement where I am unequivocally metric. For everything else I can cope with either. I think in meters and ft, km and miles, cm or inches, pints or ltrs, lbs and kg etc about equally, don't mind which people use, but tell me 63F and I don't have any sense of what that means unless I do the mental arithmetic to convert it (subtract 32 multiply by 5/9)
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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I feel _exactly_ the opposite. Fahrenheit means nothing to me. I can't even spell it!

It's the one measurement where I am unequivocally metric. For everything else I can cope with either. I think in meters and ft, km and miles, cm or inches, pints or ltrs, lbs and kg etc about equally, don't mind which people use, but tell me 63F and I don't have any sense of what that means unless I do the mental arithmetic to convert it (subtract 32 multiply by 5/9)
My digital thermometers (MANY!!!!!!!!!!) are optionally set for C and F and I change them all to F... why? Because that's what people around here (e.g. media) speak in. I'm very aware of F, ignorant of C. Just about nobody talks C around here. I don't believe it makes a rat's ass of difference. But I can usually estimate the temperature I'm feeling within 1 degree F. I've had an issue, being the fact that 10 digital thermometers (the one's I've bought) don't agree!!! I've designed and performed experiments in order to calibrate them. None feature built in calibration, but once I figure Tx is 1.8 degrees high, I can put a label on it so saying. Of course this doesn't work unless I have some way to determine the CORRECT temperature, which is tricky because I don't have a device that does it. There's a certain amount of conjecture involved. I have an analogue (mercury) thermometer that I think is virtually correct, not based on assumption but something like deduction given everything I see from all my other thermometers.
 

Spacehead

Lifer
Jun 2, 2002
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Just curious... does anyone know how long after you've had covid will you still test positive for covid?

My sister was saying a couple she knows is flying to Hawaii & they needed to have a negative test result before being let on the plane. My brother says, to his wife, "i guess we can't go as we'll test positive". They had covid in January. He said a doctor told them they'll still test positive as long as they're producing antibodies for having it.
Anyone know if that's true?
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
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Just curious... does anyone know how long after you've had covid will you still test positive for covid?

My sister was saying a couple she knows is flying to Hawaii & they needed to have a negative test result before being let on the plane. My brother says, to his wife, "i guess we can't go as we'll test positive". They had covid in January. He said a doctor told them they'll still test positive as long as they're producing antibodies for having it.
Anyone know if that's true?
I got COVID sometime at the beginning for February, tested positive Feb 13, and tested "not detected" on March 13.

(I'm feeling it long-term. The COVID morphine effect is fully gone and lacking in stamina.)
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Just curious... does anyone know how long after you've had covid will you still test positive for covid?

My sister was saying a couple she knows is flying to Hawaii & they needed to have a negative test result before being let on the plane. My brother says, to his wife, "i guess we can't go as we'll test positive". They had covid in January. He said a doctor told them they'll still test positive as long as they're producing antibodies for having it.
Anyone know if that's true?
Once you've cleared the virus, you won't test positive any longer. Some people it is a few days, some people months. Generally it follows symptoms, but there have been asymptomatic long haulers too.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Vaccination rate in my state has significantly dropped three weeks in a row, we are now down to January levels of vaccinations a week. Looks like we are going to stall out somewhere in the low forties. Generally I can tolerate stupidity, but I really have zero tolerance for anti-vaxxers. Several people I know, "might get it, someday" ask them why their answer is basically that they are lazy or don't want a pharma company to make money, while they are on 5 RXes due to their shitty lifestyle.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Vaccination rate in my state has significantly dropped three weeks in a row, we are now down to January levels of vaccinations a week. Looks like we are going to stall out somewhere in the low forties. Generally I can tolerate stupidity, but I really have zero tolerance for anti-vaxxers. Several people I know, "might get it, someday" ask them why their answer is basically that they are lazy or don't want a pharma company to make money, while they are on 5 RXes due to their shitty lifestyle.
I don't personally know any people like this. Myself, I was so itchy to get vaccinated I was in line for the soft rollout, i.e. before the program officially started.

Here's my projection: I think there are going to be foot draggers, lazies, doubters, foolish nay sayers. It just doesn't seem a thrill to people to get in line to roll up their sleeve and have a stranger poke in a needle and then experience unknown side effects. They don't think that, it's just the whole gestalt. What's going to happen is these people will start to realize that they are being left behind. Vaccination certification is going to be something they wish they had... vaccination envy is going to be a thing. Universities right now are beginning to stipulate that if you want to get back on campus, you have to certify you've been vaccinated. I think it's going to be a thing with travel, possibly with getting into sporting events, entertainment, possibly your work place, maybe even restaurants. I hope the government doesn't get in the way of this. We'll see.

I've seen a few good ads on TV. Popular media people of all sorts, iconic figures, are going to be in TV spots. People don't want to be left behind and if it becomes apparent that not being vaccinated is a downer, people will get their appointments. Some 5,000,000 people in the USA right now are late in getting their 2nd shots. That's not a big deal, they have a lot of protection, but it's not good.
Just curious... does anyone know how long after you've had covid will you still test positive for covid?

My sister was saying a couple she knows is flying to Hawaii & they needed to have a negative test result before being let on the plane. My brother says, to his wife, "i guess we can't go as we'll test positive". They had covid in January. He said a doctor told them they'll still test positive as long as they're producing antibodies for having it.
Anyone know if that's true?
If they had it in January I'd say odds at at least 80% they'll test negative now. There's only one way to find out, get tested. Another thing they can do is GET VACCINATED. 2 weeks after that they'll be certifiably vaccinated and good as gold.
 
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Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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I was in the "someday" camp myself but seeing the virus rates as they are with no real end in sight, at this point I want the vaccine as soon as I'm able to get it.

Really I'd like to see more research done on the factors that affect how bad people get hit with the virus as well. Like vitamin D, zinc etc and whether or not it truly helps. General health like being obese or not. I think there is a general consensus on all that but I feel there needs to be more research, and they need to actually be officially telling people these things. Especially things like vitamins, it's not like it's dangerous advice, if they feel that it plays a role then start telling people to take more vitamin D for example. I don't think I have yet to hear anything official come from the government as far as stuff like that.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I don't personally know any people like this. Myself, I was so itchy to get vaccinated I was in line for the soft rollout, i.e. before the program officially started.

Here's my projection: I think there are going to be foot draggers, lazies, doubters, foolish nay sayers. It just doesn't seem a thrill to people to get in line to roll up their sleeve and have a stranger poke in a needle and then experience unknown side effects. They don't think that, it's just the whole gestalt. What's going to happen is these people will start to realize that they are being left behind. Vaccination certification is going to be something they wish they had... vaccination envy is going to be a thing. Universities right now are beginning to stipulate that if you want to get back on campus, you have to certify you've been vaccinated. I think it's going to be a thing with travel, possibly with getting into sporting events, entertainment, possibly your work place, maybe even restaurants. I hope the government doesn't get in the way of this. We'll see.

I've seen a few good ads on TV. Popular media people of all sorts, iconic figures, are going to be in TV spots. People don't want to be left behind and if it becomes apparent that not being vaccinated is a downer, people will get their appointments. Some 5,000,000 people in the USA right now are late in getting their 2nd shots. That's not a big deal, they have a lot of protection, but it's not good.

If they had it in January I'd say odds at at least 80% they'll test negative now. There's only one way to find out, get tested. Another thing they can do is GET VACCINATED. 2 weeks after that they'll be certifiably vaccinated and good as gold.
Yeah, I wish we just made in mandatory to function in society and move on. Antivaxers are nothing but a bunch of ignorant free loaders that are currently putting everyone, especially children, at risk.

I think most of them it's just that the inconveniences of getting the shot is a bigger deal to them than protecting themselves and those around them. If society makes it inconvenient to be unvaxxed the equation would change.
 

Muse

Lifer
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I was in the "someday" camp myself but seeing the virus rates as they are with no real end in sight, at this point I want the vaccine as soon as I'm able to get it.

Really I'd like to see more research done on the factors that affect how bad people get hit with the virus as well. Like vitamin D, zinc etc and whether or not it truly helps. General health like being obese or not. I think there is a general consensus on all that but I feel there needs to be more research, and they need to actually be officially telling people these things. Especially things like vitamins, it's not like it's dangerous advice, if they feel that it plays a role then start telling people to take more vitamin D for example. I don't think I have yet to hear anything official come from the government as far as stuff like that.
Don't rely on your government for things like that. Yes, D (especially for people living where sunshine is hard to get enough of part of the year) is a big deal with upper respiratory diseases. C helps. But obesity and other risk factors play in a lot. The particular variant you're exposed to. But the BIGGEST thing is viral dose. If you get a small one you're apt to fight it off but if you get a massive dose, look out!!!!! That's a good reason to mask up, social distance, be careful where you go, what you do there.
 
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Red Squirrel

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But that's what I'm saying we should be able to rely on them, they need to actually be useful.

Part of health care should be prevention, and it seems it does not work that way at all.

Most people like us that do our own research know these things but general public who just listen to the government are not informed about much.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Anyone who thinks they are informed merely by paying attention to what their government tells them is a fool. Most any 6 year old should know that.
 
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Spacehead

Lifer
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If they had it in January I'd say odds at at least 80% they'll test negative now. There's only one way to find out, get tested. Another thing they can do is GET VACCINATED. 2 weeks after that they'll be certifiably vaccinated and good as gold.
Yeah, i'm afraid they wont get tested for antibodies & i think they won't get the vaccine because they've already had covid, symptoms & all.

I also heard on the news the other day about people skipping their 2nd dose. It was quite a large number.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Just curious... does anyone know how long after you've had covid will you still test positive for covid?

My sister was saying a couple she knows is flying to Hawaii & they needed to have a negative test result before being let on the plane. My brother says, to his wife, "i guess we can't go as we'll test positive". They had covid in January. He said a doctor told them they'll still test positive as long as they're producing antibodies for having it.
Anyone know if that's true?
Once you've cleared the virus, you won't test positive any longer. Some people it is a few days, some people months. Generally it follows symptoms, but there have been asymptomatic long haulers too.
The confusion here is that Spacehead is alluding to different kinds of tests, two diagnostic tests and an antibody test.

The following article explains the PCR test, and the different kinds of tests:
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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Of course, Florida

 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
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I don't think vaccines work that way you can't just get it by being close to someone else. The students would still need to have a blank chip injected in them with a basic 5G bootloader so it can connect to the network and download the firmware from the teacher via PXE5 boot.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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Of course, Florida

I would stone cold quit working in an environment that's anti-science. My sanity is worth more than any monetary compensation. Most people have an option. I always have. That is flat out insane. That institution should be boycotted, its authorities fired.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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I don't think vaccines work that way you can't just get it by being close to someone else. The students would still need to have a blank chip injected in them with a basic 5G bootloader so it can connect to the network and download the firmware from the teacher via PXE5 boot.
But turn it off during recess, yay!
 

Spacehead

Lifer
Jun 2, 2002
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Just curious... does anyone know how long after you've had covid will you still test positive for covid?

My sister was saying a couple she knows is flying to Hawaii & they needed to have a negative test result before being let on the plane. My brother says, to his wife, "i guess we can't go as we'll test positive". They had covid in January. He said a doctor told them they'll still test positive as long as they're producing antibodies for having it.
Anyone know if that's true?

The confusion here is that Spacehead is alluding to different kinds of tests, two diagnostic tests and an antibody test.

The following article explains the PCR test, and the different kinds of tests:
No, i don't think i was, but i was making some assumptions.
I guess i assumed that the couple going to Hawaii needed a negative PCR test, currently negative for covid to board the flight.
I took my brothers comment about what the doctor told him as... my brother, or anybody, will test positive on a PCR test as long as they are still producing antibodies from having covid.

Hope that clears things up.
 

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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Just curious... does anyone know how long after you've had covid will you still test positive for covid?

My sister was saying a couple she knows is flying to Hawaii & they needed to have a negative test result before being let on the plane. My brother says, to his wife, "i guess we can't go as we'll test positive". They had covid in January. He said a doctor told them they'll still test positive as long as they're producing antibodies for having it.
Anyone know if that's true?


My daughter tested negative after less than 2 weeks.

I'm thinking your brother just doesn't want to go? :D
 
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WelshBloke

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No, i don't think i was, but i was making some assumptions.
I guess i assumed that the couple going to Hawaii needed a negative PCR test, currently negative for covid to board the flight.
I took my brothers comment about what the doctor told him as... my brother, or anybody, will test positive on a PCR test as long as they are still producing antibodies from having covid.

Hope that clears things up.
The PCR test detects the actual virus not the antibodies.
They will be fine if they had it back in January.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Of course, Florida

That is the most ridiculous thing I've read about vaccines and I've read a lot of ridiculous things about them!