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Lifer
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Bit scary how new infections have taken off like a rocket in India. There was a lot of discussion a little while ago about the puzzle of how they'd come right down, and what were Indians doing right to achieve this....but before anyone seemed to answer that question, the case numbers shot way, way, up again.
With it rampaging through a large population like that, surely there's a high chance of new variants emerging?
It's less of a puzzle than was thought at the time. They had tons of SARS-CoV-2 spread, but they simply didn't have the surveillance testing to know about it. Subsequent antibodies testing (this is a few months back) revealed very high prevalence of infections. Although the virus was spreading like wildfire, they weren't seeing waves of severe outcomes like say in Brazil. One unconfirmed theory is that Indians have some unknown partial immunity from past coronavirus exposure.
 
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kn51

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Oh great, my 2nd shot of Pfizer will be next week. <sad panda>

I better update my will, just in case.

I'll cheer you up. I never have had any sort of reaction besides a sore arm for any vaccine. That second shot kicked my arse last night. Felt like I had the flu from hell with cold shivers and achey joints and muscles. Still working it off this morning, only a bad headache now.
 

Red Squirrel

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They're looking into a stricter lockdown here, even a curfew. They're even banning camping. How the hell is camping a risk? They did the same last year too. Starting to really question the motive behind all of this, I feel it's not just about the virus anymore. None of this actually helps stop the spread. Meanwhile they still allow risky jobs like warehouses and factories to operate, and still allow travel. The risky jobs are actually where lot of the cases have been happening.

 
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They're even banning camping. How the hell is camping a risk?
Because people probably go out and do this with friends, and people may not be very compliant about keeping their pods isolated. It seems for some areas, the soft-handed, personal responsibility approach is failing from a mitigation standpoint, so tougher measures need to be temporarily enacted.
 

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Lifer
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They're looking into a stricter lockdown here, even a curfew. They're even banning camping. How the hell is camping a risk? They did the same last year too. Starting to really question the motive behind all of this, I feel it's not just about the virus anymore. None of this actually helps stop the spread. Meanwhile they still allow risky jobs like warehouses and factories to operate, and still allow travel. The risky jobs are actually where lot of the cases have been happening.


I suppose camping could be associated with travelling long distances, i.e. going from densely-populated areas where there's a lot of COVID to more remote places that haven't had an outbreak (but also are a long way from hospitals). Though it's the travel they should be restricting, not the camping part.

The response does seem quite chaotic and inconsistent here too, but I don't believe there's some single sinister motive behind it, they just aren't thinking about it very systematically - preferring short-term crowd-pleasers. They seem to be desperate to reopen up things like pubs and restaurants, while the health-service remains mostly shut-down, even for things like chemotherapy for cancer. And a government that got into office largely on the issue of 'controlling the borders' seems to be singularly hopeless at stopping new variants being bought into the country.
 

zinfamous

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Wish is was longer/better, but should be enough once we get past the current outbreaks.

It very well could be, just don't actually know yet. I think that the trial data is a little bit older, but I'm wondering if they want to wait for general population data before they say anything.

Anyway, the "sixth month effective" claim really only reflects the fact that this vaccine has been around for....about 6 months.
 

zinfamous

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A guy who came to put my toilet in had a bunch of them. I believe he was an EMT/firefighter so he was early in the line. Said they had a mix up so he got the first shot of pfizer or moderna, then went in and they missed the schedule so they gave him the other one and then he had a second shot of that later on.

yeah but is he a squirrel now?
 

Zorba

Lifer
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It very well could be, just don't actually know yet. I think that the trial data is a little bit older, but I'm wondering if they want to wait for general population data before they say anything.

Anyway, the "sixth month effective" claim really only reflects the fact that this vaccine has been around for....about 6 months.
Yeah, the first woman to ever get a COVID vaccine was just about one year ago today. It'll be September before we start getting meaningful data from a year out.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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They're looking into a stricter lockdown here, even a curfew. They're even banning camping. How the hell is camping a risk? They did the same last year too. Starting to really question the motive behind all of this, I feel it's not just about the virus anymore. None of this actually helps stop the spread. Meanwhile they still allow risky jobs like warehouses and factories to operate, and still allow travel. The risky jobs are actually where lot of the cases have been happening.

At least around here, people haven't been distancing at campgrounds at all. And then the sharing of bathrooms and shower halls. At the end of the day, the governments are trying to shut down the "low cost" things to shut down, camping, playgrounds, parks, etc but shut down a bar? Hell no, that's someone's company.
 

Red Squirrel

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At least around here, people haven't been distancing at campgrounds at all. And then the sharing of bathrooms and shower halls. At the end of the day, the governments are trying to shut down the "low cost" things to shut down, camping, playgrounds, parks, etc but shut down a bar? Hell no, that's someone's company.

Crown land usually involves very isolated areas though, there are no showers or anything like that. Usually it's families going in a camper or tent. People are also not traveling very far to get to these places.
 
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The FDA has revoked the EUA for bamlanivimab when administered alone. It's a monoclonal antibody therapy. They cite ongoing analyses showing increases in variants that are resistant, resulting in treatment failure, and thus the benefits no longer outweigh the risks.
 

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It very well could be, just don't actually know yet. I think that the trial data is a little bit older, but I'm wondering if they want to wait for general population data before they say anything.

Anyway, the "sixth month effective" claim really only reflects the fact that this vaccine has been around for....about 6 months.

Correct, I am still being surveyed every week to see if I get COVID. They will be monitoring us every week for at least two years and adding to that length of time as we go.
 

Red Squirrel

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Of course, since it's getting nicer out...


Now we can be questioned if we're not at home. Just today some kids were told by police to stop playing on the trampoline in their own yard and to go inside, because some asshole neighbour ratted them out. This is getting beyond ridiculous at this point. Meanwhile all the high risk workplaces like warehouses, factories, airports etc are still open. This is really starting to feel like the rise of a police state.

 

Red Squirrel

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Looks like lot of police departments including ours are coming out in saying they will not be doing the random stops Ford wants them to do. Good to see they are on our side.

 
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kn51

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Now we can be questioned if we're not at home. Just today some kids were told by police to stop playing on the trampoline in their own yard and to go inside, because some asshole neighbour ratted them out. This is getting beyond ridiculous at this point. Meanwhile all the high risk workplaces like warehouses, factories, airports etc are still open. This is really starting to feel like the rise of a police state.

Papers please.

Yeah, golf courses sure are a hotbed.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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The FDA has revoked the EUA for bamlanivimab when administered alone. It's a monoclonal antibody therapy. They cite ongoing analyses showing increases in variants that are resistant, resulting in treatment failure, and thus the benefits no longer outweigh the risks.
I've never understood the "mono" part of the antibody treatments. Seems like they'd want it to be 4 or 5 different antibodies. Attacking just one spot is asking for the virus to mutate.